Brilliant! I would never be able to put it so well.
I think that every word here is important and I subscribe them all.
(Yes, that is why I didn't edit them.)
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Cain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 09:44
>
>
> Preamble:
>
> First off, let me take this opportunity to thank each and every one of you
> who has contributed to making Tomcat the great product that it is. I know
> that gets said sometimes, but not nearly enough.
>
> I have been a longtime lurker and occasional poster to this list.
> As a Java
> developer who has just recently begun poking around in the source
> code, I am
> not yet qualified to make any technical comments on Tomcat whatsoever,
> although I will be soon enough. I am also torn on the current disagreement
> that has apparently led to Costin's departure, as I think that both sides
> have some valid points. In short, I am in no position to offer answers or
> opinions. So instead, I feel like weighing in with my genuine
> feelings about
> losing such a fervent and talented developer as Costin. So like a child
> acting out during a rather messy parental divorce, here's my shot from the
> middle.
>
> (Please forgive the length of this, but hey, the subject did say "letter,"
> so you were free to ignore it if you had actually felt like doing
> some real
> work.)
>
> Costin:
>
> You have my deepest thanks for the sheer volume of work you contributed to
> the product that runs every one of the applications I write for my
> customers. As a professional developer, I just want to add my voice to the
> countless other end users of the tomcat product who have posted here in
> thanks for your attention to the as-yet only major release of the product.
> >From those of us on the outside looking in, who aren't really involved in
> +1's and PMC's and "revolutions," your efforts are appreciated
> tremendously.
> Your steadfast desire to see the 3.x product finished as you had
> envisioned
> it speaks to every self-respecting developer. You are underappreciated by
> some of those fellow developers IMHO, but your users thank you. And in the
> end, isn't that who are you writing the code for anyway? I think
> more people
> than you probably realize have much love, bro.
>
> Craig:
>
> You have always struck me as a fair and thoughtful project lead. I admire
> your ability to put your own political beliefs aside for the good of the
> project, as was evident when you switched from Catalina to work
> full-time on
> 3.2 bugfixes. Tomcat 3.2 was a better product for it, and we users owe you
> many thanks as well. In fact, as a servlet coder from back in the
> early days
> of Apache JServ, I owe you a great deal of thanks for your
> longstanding work
> in the field. As I said, I have no value judgement for 3.x vs. 4.x, but in
> the end I understand why a parting of the ways was probably
> inevitable. If I
> might take slight exception with some of your recent comments,
> however (hey,
> you knew it was coming, right :-) ...
>
> > But, prospective "3.3" users should also be aware ... this time, if it
> ever did
> > get released, I'm not going to be there to clean up Costin's bugs (as I
> had to do
> > on both 3.1 and 3.2). I've got better things to do.
>
> This is precisely the kind of accusatory attitude and
> low-civility discourse
> that a) is about to get Jon a tounge-lashing below, and b) gives me pause
> about getting involved with this project at the moment. You two are (were)
> arguably the biggest contributors, are usually quite pleasant, and have
> respected each other for over a year! You realize that since both
> of you are
> my role models, this kind of talk will probably stunt my emotional
> development or something. Oh well, like they say, when the gods
> fight, it's
> always the little people that get stepped on.
>
> > By the way, Tomcat 4.0 will be the web container in the next release of
> the Java2
> > Enterprise Edition (J2EE) reference implementation. As such, it is
> receiving the
> > benefit of extensive testing within Sun, in addition to all the testing
> done by
> > the open source community.
>
> On a serious note, that offends my open source sensibilities. I can
> appreciate your point about the additional testing, but I think the open
> source community by itself has ample testers, and "official
> sponsorship" as
> an argument always makes me a little uncomfortable. Anyway, just
> my $0.02 on
> that.
>
> Jon:
>
> You seem to irritate virtually every developer you bump into, including
> myself. For some reason there is always at least one of your kind on every
> dev list I subscribe to. You do not make your points
> respectfully, and as a
> result your points are usually lost in your demeanor. You see, I
> don't know
> whether your ideas are right or wrong, but when you phrase you answers in
> the form of pure acid, I just can't bring myself to care.
>
> In a previous post, which I apologize for not being able to locate in the
> archives and therefore quote directly, you allude to playing the
> bad guy for
> the sake of getting things accomplished. You seem to wear abrasiveness as
> some sort of mantle, when in reality it is a rather large
> albatross. For the
> curious: "you just don't get it" and "HELLO! DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"
> are dripping
> with arrogance and self-love. Contrary to your rather bizzare theory, this
> is actually counterintuitive. Case in point: Although I believe very
> strongly in Tomcat, I will not become involved in any meaningful way.
> Reason: I do not tolerate such foolishness very well (which is an
> admitted a
> character flaw), and I do not wish to strain either the patience
> of the list
> or my relationship with the community with the crucifying responses you
> would receive if ever you were to presume to address me in the manner
> displayed above.
>
> If I wanted to play flame games I would go hit the script kiddie
> newsgroups.
> Like most people here, however, I would rather collaborate on some great
> code with people who can at least muster some semblance of respect when
> addressing me. Yes, as a previous poster noted, you *are* alienating
> developers. As a result, I will probably follow Costin to SourceForge for
> what will definitely be a better working relationship. If the civility in
> this list ever reaches an acceptable level, starting with you, I would
> actually love to contribute to both projects.
>
> All of this is not intended to start a flame war, simply to stress to you
> (since you seem to be of exactly the opposite opinion) that your behavior
> _does_ have negative consequences to the project. I have to
> wonder how many
> other list lurkers there are besides me who are unwilling to submit
> themselves to your brand of vitriol.
>
> You can reply to this or not, Jon. As I said it is not intended to start a
> flame war, I just thought you might want a would-be contributor's opinion.
> And based on some of the other posts I've seen, I'm apparently
> not the only
> one who is "strongly -1" on the extraneous attitude.
>
> Regards, all ...
>
> - Christopher
>
