hi guys,
(long post, crossposted, sorry)
so it's been a while since I posted to your lists. I just read through the
"jboss is groovy" (my brother pointed it out) thread that was here a month
ago and I thought I owed you guys an update.
First I was sorry to see there is still some bad blood about what
happened... hey don't worry about it, misunderstandings happen. We
misunderstood your "let's wait" and you misunderstood our "fat ladies" (how
can one misunderstand that ??;-) I finally got to meet Brian 2 weeks ago
and drag him out of Collab for a lunch, and it was a very enlighting
meeting, for me at least.
Ok here is where we are at:
for the final version of jboss2.0 (today in beta-production-03) we are
stabilizing the integration of EmbeddedTomcat. The code is already out for
BP03, in CVS, and it works pretty well. Mucho mucho interest from our
users. We have integrated with JMX (sorry no Avalon yet, but if it goes JMX
we will seriously look at it, as we might be interested in an open version
of the management console). Anyway the stuff works inVM and we have
*serious* numbers on invocation time, it is FAST (<.4ms full stack) and we
can now collectively say that the full j2ee stack lives in open source. It
is a reality, an integrated j2ee stack now lives in open source.
So rejoice my Apache friends :) it seems we have the full j2ee stack in open
source... I repeat we have the full stack in open source.
So again this is cause for much joy ... the integrated stack in open source
is now a credible alternative to much more established players in the field.
Remember that these EJB/J2ee vendors are focused on Fortune 1000 and we
offer a credible alternative for Fortune 1,000,000,000, something I feel is
important for the future adoption of the j2ee platform as standard web
development and we hope you feel the same.
Re: the separate projects... I tend to believe things happen for a reason,
even misunderstandings, and maybe the field of open source java is better
for it, I mean not been integrated and all. I mean I am happy with the fact
that several projects are thriving and growing. We are happily integrating
your code, and others people code. The field of open source java will
dominate commercial players through combinatorial mutation and wild
integration, not consolidation, not yet not at this point at least. So let
n-n combinatorials play its part :)). We believe, at a deeper level, that
the inherent complexity of j2ee is outgrowing commercial settings but is
still showing signs of scaling in the open source integration world. At any
rate we hope to continue doing good work with you and in good conditions.
Re: the licenses. I read many of the arguments regarding the licenses.
There seems to be much misinterpretation of what the GPL requires. Sun and
SAP are going with the GPL for some things (staroffice, SAP-DB), and MPL/APL
for some others (netbeans)... There doesn't need to be a unique license, and
it seems to me the APL folks are on a religious endeavour these days (used
to be the case with GPL, funny how things work out :).
Anyway, I strongly believe that the field of open source java is about to
reach a new level, a new stage, where our technologies are stable, feature
rich, our communities are strong and united in support of open source as a
credible alternative technology. Man I sound like I am running for
president or something... Maybe Open Source is the future of these
infrastructure technologies. Infrastructure is too important and complex to
be owned by one single private entity...
I believe will see 2 things very soon in open source java (app server
sphere, not jdk):
1- the progress of j2ee as standard web development platform (think .NET).
For that to happen, offers like ours (tomcat+jboss) are going to be needed.
2- the consolidation of the j2ee commercial app server field and I strongly
want tomcat + jboss to be one of the contenders in a year,
The industry is still focused on the servers and that is not right, we hope
to create a bedrock in open source for integration and ISP deployment, OEM
embedding, bean developers, sys admins, consultants etc etc... i.e. a real
platform.
we can do it, we need your help, so let's do it... forget the rest, it is
not real.
Peace Love and Good Code,
marc
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Marc Fleury, PhD
CTO, Telkel Inc.
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