On Wed, Jan 15, 2025, 2:45 PM Andrei Popov <andrei.po...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> > - I started with some change suggestions for you to consider > > Understood; the suggestion that consensus should be determined at the > meetings has been opposed by others, I don’t need to repeat the arguments. > > Even as an employee of a large business, I cannot rely solely on the > (increasingly more expensive) meeting attendance to participate in the IETF > consensus process. > One can pay for 1 day participation to join in a meeting, see my second email on this thread. Regards, Quynh. > > > Also, the general idea of voting to pick the best course of action for > complicated technical matters seems questionable. There is no minimum > technical qualification requirement or process for the IETF attendees. > > > > I agree that as things stand, there is some level of WG chair discretion > in determining consensus; I believe the chairs are doing a good job of > this, in general. > And I say this even though I’ve been in the rough quite a few times😊 > > > > Cheers, > > > > Andrei > > > > *From:* Quynh Dang <quyn...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2025 11:16 AM > *To:* Andrei Popov <andrei.po...@microsoft.com> > *Cc:* Tim Bray <tb...@textuality.com>; tls@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Changing WG Mail List Reputation > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 2:08 PM Andrei Popov <andrei.po...@microsoft.com> > wrote: > > > - Did you mean the number of people attending a particular meeting ? > > My understanding is that consensus is not determined by meeting > participants; it’s always determined on the mailing list. Are you > suggesting that a certain minimum percentage of mailing list subscribers > have to be in favor? > > > > I have not been talking about how the current consensus process works. I > started with some change suggestions for you to consider. Please read my > first email(s) first. > > > > Regards, > > Quynh. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Andrei > > > > *From:* Quynh Dang <quyn...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2025 11:01 AM > *To:* Andrei Popov <andrei.po...@microsoft.com> > *Cc:* Tim Bray <tb...@textuality.com>; tls@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Changing WG Mail List Reputation > > > > You don't often get email from quyn...@gmail.com. Learn why this is > important <https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 1:50 PM Andrei Popov <andrei.po...@microsoft.com> > wrote: > > In the absence of a roster of participants, how can a percentage of votes > be determined? > > We don’t have WG membership registrations, AFAIK. > > > > Did you mean the number of people attending a particular meeting ? > Requiring them to sign in using the online tools. For the people who > don't sign and they attend another meeting, they can send their IETF > registration for that day or for the whole week to the chairs and their > votes can be cast within a week or so after the IETF ends. > > > > That would be an easy task I think and I don't think we should talk about > it now. > > > > Regards, > > Quynh. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Andrei > > > > *From:* Quynh Dang <quyn...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2025 10:44 AM > *To:* Tim Bray <tb...@textuality.com> > *Cc:* tls@ietf.org > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Changing WG Mail List Reputation > > > > You don't often get email from quyn...@gmail.com. Learn why this is > important <https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 1:26 PM Tim Bray <tb...@textuality.com> wrote: > > On Jan 15, 2025 at 11:37:58 AM, Quynh Dang <quyn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Defining a minimum percentage of votes to have the consensus would take > care of the problem and the chairs at the IETF would love that. > > > > No it wouldn’t > > > > Why do you think it wouldn't take care of the problem I described? > > > > Regards, > > Quynh. > > > > and no we (speaking as former co-chair of two WGs) wouldn’t. > > > > I’m not sure why we’re relitigating the works-pretty-OK process of > consensus calls from the chair and potential appeals. > > > > -T > >
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