On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 8:17 PM Benjamin Kaduk <bkaduk=
40akamai....@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 02, 2024 at 07:17:44PM -0800, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> >    On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 5:02 PM Rob Sayre <[1]say...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >      It might be better to describe TLS 1.2 as "overtaken by events". If
> you
> >      want to use CSS Grid or Swift UI (name any newish thing), you'll
> find
> >      yourself with a stack that supports TLS 1.3, so there's no need to
> >      bother with TLS 1.2 in those cases. Turning off TLS 1.2 is
> sometimes a
> >      good idea, because that traffic is composed of undesirable bots in
> many
> >      cases.
> >      I know people also work on things that are old, but it seems ok to
> call
> >      them really old, because that is true. No one seems to disagree with
> >      this point in the draft: "TLS 1.3 [TLS13] is also in widespread use
> and
> >      fixes most known deficiencies with TLS 1.2".
> >      If you think this draft is so strict that it will be ignored, you
> have
> >      nothing to worry about.
> >
> >    The issue I am concerned about is that:
> >    1. Implementors who do not want to upgrade to TLS 1.3 will implement
> new
> >    cipher suites
> >    2. IANA will refuse to register the new cipher suites
> >    With the result being potential code point collisions.
>
> I share this concern.
>

In the interest of clarity,  I favor the WG declining to work on extending
TLS 1.2, so these cipher suites should be marked as Recommended=No. I'm
just concerned that closing the registries entirely will not have the best
results.

-Ekr

-Ben
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