On Sun, Jan 29, 2023, at 10:46, Joseph Salowey wrote:
> I think the current working group consensus for the policy of the
> recommended column is reflected in the following statement:

I can live with that. I definitely don’t want Rich to quit.

Martin Thomson:
>"Y" and "D" are both effective statements because they come with the 
>"authority" of the IETF (for what that
> is worth). To require any lesser process than consensus would undermine the 
> value of the label.

That is a good point.

Cheers,
John

From: TLS <tls-boun...@ietf.org> on behalf of Martin Thomson 
<m...@lowentropy.net>
Date: Monday, 30 January 2023 at 00:25
To: tls@ietf.org <tls@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-rfc8447bis-02.txt
On Sun, Jan 29, 2023, at 10:46, Joseph Salowey wrote:
> I think the current working group consensus for the policy of the
> recommended column is reflected in the following statement:
>
> Setting a value to "Y" or "D" in the "Recommended" column requires IETF
> Standards Action [RFC8126
> <https://betaapp.fastmail.com/mail/IETF.tls/compose?u=47c94097#RFC8126>].
> Any state transition to or from a "Y" or "D" value requires IESG
> Approval."

This is my position, so don't change it :)  John wants to mark a ton of things 
with "D".  I think that a good number of the things he asks for should be 
marked "D", but I wouldn't want an expert to be put in that position.  "Y" and 
"D" are both effective statements because they come with the "authority" of the 
IETF (for what that is worth). To require any lesser process than consensus 
would undermine the value of the label.

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