I am merely trying to understand if there are any constructive suggestions 
amongst all these discussions, that we should consider.

Your comment was
"It would be better to use a simpler protocol,"

My question back to you was WHAT SIMPLIER PROTOCOL?

If  your answer to my question,  is to refer to Kathleen's document,  then she 
discusses a few things.   If I have to guess which one of those you may be 
referring to,  I will guess IPSEC?
Is this correct?   Are you suggesting we should convert to IPSEC?

If that was stated in any previous correspondence,  I did not see it.

From: Ted Lemon [mailto:mel...@fugue.com]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 11:41 AM
To: Ackermann, Michael <mackerm...@bcbsm.com>
Cc: Steve Fenter <steven.fente...@gmail.com>; tls@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [TLS] Publication of draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility-00

On Oct 23, 2017, at 10:35 AM, Ackermann, Michael 
<mackerm...@bcbsm.com<mailto:mackerm...@bcbsm.com>> wrote:
I was only asking what your opinion was, based on that statement in your reply.

With respect, Michael, I gave my opinion in the message to which Kathleen 
replied, so your assertion that you have been reading these messages doesn't 
seem to be reflected in the dialog we are having.


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