Hi all, The point is we are now indeed on draft 18. Changing the name now is very problematic because everybody on the mailinglist already calls it TLS 1.3, for a long time and no matter what you do, a lot of us (who are hopefully the experts) will keep referring to it under that name.
If you want a name change, introduce it early (as editor of the RFC, these guys should be able to make this kind of decision) or otherwise keep the name. The same kind of discussion was on the SHA-3 mailing list, where some argued for AHS instead of SHA-3. The same problem ensued there and SHA-3 was kept in the end (although I don't know how the decision was made at that time). Further discussions continue at s...@ietf.org ;) Regards, Maarten 2016-12-02 15:54 GMT+01:00 Ted Lemon <mel...@fugue.com>: > The bottom line is that this is an unanswerable question. My advice > is to not change the name, because I think more name changes = more > confusion and it is _way_ too late to put TLS back in the box. But > what do I know--I'm just an end user! :) > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Hubert Kario <hka...@redhat.com> wrote: > > On Friday, 2 December 2016 14:12:38 CET Salz, Rich wrote: > >> > SSL 2 < SSL 3 < "SSL" 1.0 < "SSL" 1.1 < "SSL" 1.2 < "SSL" 4 is not > logical > >> > ordering > >> > >> So? Who cares? A couple-hundred people in the IETF. And the issue is > that > >> SSL 3 < "SSL" 1.0 which is the issue no matter what we call what we're > >> doing here. And the quotes around the last SSL do not belong there. > > > >> You can say that calling it "TLS 1.3" promulgates the illogical > ordering, or > >> you could say it continues a renumbering. A renumbering that the world > has > >> never recognized or understood. You can say that "SSL 4" confuses > people > >> twice, or you can say that it restores sanity to a 20-year glitch and > >> starts us using the same name that the rest of the world, *and our > >> industry,* uses. > > > > what it does is it introduces a second glitch > > > > speaking of confusion, do you know that e-mail clients by "SSL" mean > "SSL/TLS" > > and by "TLS" mean "STARTTLS"? > > (note the port numbers) > > https://sils.unc.edu/it-services/email-faq/outlook > > https://mail.aegee.org/smtp/kmail.html > > https://sils.unc.edu/it-services/my-computer/email-faq/thunderbird > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Hubert Kario > > Senior Quality Engineer, QE BaseOS Security team > > Web: www.cz.redhat.com > > Red Hat Czech s.r.o., Purkyňova 99/71, 612 45, Brno, Czech Republic > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TLS mailing list > > TLS@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls > > > > _______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list > TLS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls >
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