> > I was obligated to tyr JSF for real, so far I've been only reading and
> > checking some demos. I've got in a project where I HAD to learn JSF, and
It
> > made me like Tapestry even more. JSF has such a Struts base that event
that
> > annoying mapping stuff is back but with a different name: navigation ...
And
> > the JSP looks like a salad of tags, petty.

If we go the "new" JSP2/JSF route, what do we  really gain? It seems to be a
cleaned up JSP+Struts, like Sun do EJB3 with POJOs now, was cribbed off
Hibernate. Sun are trend followers, not trend setters. I can see the appeal
for clients with a JSP base, but for new projects I'll push Tapestry every
time now. There is Facelets, which creates a component like environment for
JSF, but I can't imagine this being anywhere as good as Tapestry, and it's
not mature.

Problems with JSP are debugging it, and leaking of inapropriate code into
it. I suppose the new EL will help tidy it up a bit, but really it's
basically the same bad concept.

It's good to hear this feedback anyway, thanks.




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