On Monday, September 28, 2020, Paul Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:07 AM Matthew Woehlke <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> On 28/09/2020 11.42, Jack Burke wrote: >> > I'm willing to bet that most OSM editors who drive on either of those >> two >> > will think "this is a great freeway, just with occasional traffic >> signals." >> >> That's an oxymoron. Freeways are, by definition, limited access (no >> crossing intersections, period) and do not have (permanent¹) signs or >> signals to halt traffic. IMNSHO, if it has traffic lights, stop signs, >> or the possibility of vehicles suddenly driving *across* the way, it >> isn't a freeway. > > > True, but highway=trunk can mean either expressways (think like freeways > that have some or all at-grade intersections; note that having > freeway-style ramps in between junctions doesn't make it a > highway=motorway), or single-carriageway freeways. In both cases, they > tend to get built as an incremental case to building a full motorway, but > are not yet motorways. > > That's not to say there aren't non-interstate highways that meet these >> definitions. >> >> But... is it a highway=trunk? *I* don't see where the wiki excludes the >> possibility. (It does, however, seem to me that only *actual* interstate >> freeways should be highway=motorway in the US.) >> > > That's not true at all...heck, not all sections of Interstates qualify for > highway=motorway, there's at least a couple dozen spots where this is true, > like pretty much any customs checkpoint, the transitions to where an > interstate ends and it continues as another kind of highway past the last > exit before a junction, > > >> Related: if it's I-## or I-###, shouldn't it be a highway=motorway, >> period? (Unless those, for some reason, are ever *not* freeways?) >> > > No. Very much not, in fact. Network and classification are, relative to > the UK, quite disconnected. Most of the Interstate network that is > bannered as Detour (more common in disaster prone areas where getting > around a freeway closure isn't obvious and yet happens frequently enough to > have permanently signposted detour routes for such occasions) or Business > tends to be trunk at most (I can think of a couple places where a Business > Interstate runs down expressway sections that used to be US 66) but usually > is *extremely* not a freeway (usually boulevards and two lane roads). > Get up to Alaska and mainline interstates aren't freeways and usually > aren't even signposted (I'd be surprised if anything outside Fairbanks and > Anchorage warrants higher than a secondary tag realistically, but the US > loves to creep everything upwards, overstating connectivity). Some cities > operate full blown freeways, some interstates are gravel barely-a-road. > > Matthew and Paul, hang on! I am *not* trying to say that the roads in question should be highway=motorway (except for the part of Georgia 400 that is, in fact, a motorway). I *am* trying to say that they should be highway=trunk. My use of the term "freeway" to describe them was artistic in nature, to describe how it feels actually driving on them. That's all. Now back to our regularly scheduled program. -jack
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