Vào lúc 18:16 2022-11-04, Martin Koppenhoefer đã viết:
On 4 Nov 2022, at 13:17, Marc_marc <marc_m...@mailo.com> wrote:
our "sister" project (wikipedia) has no problem defining what is an anecdote and what is
"relevance from a historic viewpoint",
I don't see why we should have any issue doing it.
Mappers are working fundamentally different from wikipedia authors, because
they are recording observations, first hand study, while wikipedia work means
working with sources. Original research is explicitly frowned upon in wikipedia
while it is at the basis of mapping. We do not have relevance criteria as a
hurdle for inclusion of things, we only require them to exist. I do not say
relevance does not exist, but it is less important for our mapping. We are
creating “categories” of things by applying tags, and I do not believe it would
be helpful to have different main categories for the same thing, depending on
its historic relevance, hence I do not believe redefining the “historic” key in
this direction would be helpful for the project.
I think this point would be every bit as applicable to our other sister
project, OpenHistoricalMap, which works with both published sources (for
the past) and observations (for the present). So far, OHM has hewn to
OSM's tagging schemes, including the historic=* tags that are almost
always anachronistic.
For example, most historic=manor weren't historic the moment they were
completed. A historic=battlefield may not have been historic until the
tide turned in a larger campaign. I would expect historic=citywalls to
be less common in OHM than barrier=city_wall.
Both historic=* and heritage=* make a value judgment, but heritage
designations are made by historical societies and government agencies.
Who are we to make a similar designation as mappers?
Maybe both OSM and OHM could live with historic=* being a misnomer as
(wait for it) a historical accident, but if someone is coining a tag and
they're choosing between historic=* and another suitable key, I'd advise
them to pick the other key.
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m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us
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