The boxes business is most likely leading us a bit up the Nymphenburg Schlosspark garden path. The real issue is routing for bicycles. Many (bicycle) routers I know would route you against (short) stretches of one-way roads or on short stretches of (bicycle=no) footpaths, so in those cases it is important to be sure that you distinguish between hard-no and soft-no for bicycles. I have come across another type of hard-no for bicycles in the form of chicane-type cycle barriers too narrow to push a bicycle (or a wheelchair) through.
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 11:48, bkil <bkil.hu...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have yet to see a park where they limit the size of luggage I can carry > with me (within rational limits). > > I think local law always defines what a bicycle is exactly. I don't think > that they have the right to search your box to check whether it contains > legally defined bicycles - that could only be done by a police officer and > would need a warrant, so I think we can always carry bicycles in a box. > Mind you that luggage could also have wheels. > > For circumventing carry-on rules, it was common knowledge that if you > removed the front tire, it could not be ridden anymore and could be > understood to be not a bicycle, rather it was classified as "bicycle > parts". Some thought this could be used to transport bicycles on a train > for free, but it was actually oversized for the definition of luggage, so > the actual deciding factor was always the kindness of the staff. > > If you carry a front wheel and your friend carries the rest, can you enter > the park? Both of you are only carrying parts, and none of you > possess bicycles. > > On the other hand, the terms of services of transport companies usually > have written provisions for carrying on folded bicycles irrespective of > size limits (for example, they even allow folded mountain bikes). > > Just for kicks: > > https://ecofriend.com/bike-that-folds-into-an-a3-paper-size-box-is-rightly-named-the-a3-bicycle.html > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:30 AM Martin Koppenhoefer < > dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> sent from a phone >> >> On 22. Jul 2020, at 11:07, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < >> tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: >> >> bicycle_pushed=no was suggested in previous discussion, see >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-November/thread.html#49056 >> >> >> >> and then you would also need >> bicycle_carried=no >> and >> bicycle_carried_in_a_box=no >> (the latter is rare and could be seen as another way of saying >> carrying_boxes=no or maybe carrying_boxes:conditional =no@(any_dimension >> > 0.3m) >> >> And we would have to define what „bicycle“ means. >> >> Are these bicycles? >> 1. >> https://www.picclickimg.com/00/s/ODAwWDgwMA==/z/F-8AAOSwstJZXeV2/$_12.JPG >> >> 2. >> http://img0.biker-boarder.de/detail_oxp1/g13_edge_raw.jpg >> >> 3. >> http://www.unicyclist.com/filedata/fetch?id=2476281 >> >> 4. >> >> https://photos.netjuggler.net/monocycle-kris-holm-24p/grande/Monocycle-Kris-Holm-24-pouces-isis1.jpg >> >> etc. >> >> Cheers Martin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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