Hi, Marc:
What I say is that, following this thread it's not clear to many of us
that we have to deprecate a tag with which we are quite happy, and that
a more clear definition would suffice to go on using it. Like for
example the defining characteristics suggested by Jean-Marc Liotier today:
"The defining characteristics are: being open to public, not designated
for a specific purpose, not landscaped (or that would be a park), not a
marketplace (in West Africa, marketplaces are regulated and occur almost
only at designated locations), not a pitch (when a couple pairs of
goalposts are planted at extremities, the pitchness sometimes takes
precedence and a few such locations are rightfully mapped as soccer
pitches - but usually playing ball is just one of the uses of such places)".
So yes: I dispute that *statement*, as it doesn't reflect the geo object
we are talking about. We are talking about the object that Jean-Marc
(and others) are pointing and trying to give a good definition.
Cheers,
Rafael.
O 25/05/20 ás 14:15, Marc M. escribiu:
there's an *observation* that this tag has different meanings,
from a few blades of grass between 2 streets to a paved surface
for the big annual village party.
Do you dispute that *statement* ?
or do you want to deny it and repeat that only your meaning should
be taken into account ?
If you use it in your neighborhood, your own application may decide that
your meaning is the only common sense, but on a global level, this can't
succeed.
You seem to be talking about depreciation as if there was a voting
procedure, whereas in this case it's more like "these multiple meanings
make the tag unusable worldwide, fortunately there are less ambiguous
alternatives".
Le 25.05.20 à 00:19, Rafael Avila Coya a écrit :
Unless you demonstrate me that I am wrong, the tag leisure=common was
deprecated without any agreement with the community. So it's clearly not
a deprecated tag. Another thing is what you actually think about the tag
itself.
Cheers,
Rafael.
O 23/05/20 ás 20:49, Marc M. escribiu:
Agree on what?
That leisure=common needs a replacement ? Yes.
that replacement must be different from what needs to be replaced ?
it seems logical to me but some people think that replacing a
depreciated tag by itself will solve the problems that led to its
depreciation.
Le 22.05.20 à 15:46, Jean-Marc Liotier a écrit :
So, we are actually all in agreement, aren't we ?
Nous sommes donc tous d'accord, non ?
On 5/3/20 6:00 PM, severin.menard wrote:
Oui désolé, en effet je me suis trompé sur la clé !
Yes sorry, my mistake regarding the right key!
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Le dimanche 3 mai 2020 17:54, Pierre Béland via Talk-ml
<talk...@openstreetmap.org> a écrit :
Fr
Oups un instant Jean-Marc. Erreur sans doute de la part de Séverin,
je disais bien
leisure=common
En
Oops a moment Jean-Marc. Probably a mistake on Séverin's part, I did
say...
leisure=common
*/ /*
Le dimanche 3 mai 2020 11 h 13 min 40 s UTC−4, Jean-Marc Liotier
<j...@liotier.org> a écrit :
So, this discussion gravitates towards using landuse=common for those
African urban freely accessible multipurpose open spaces, which I
fully support.
Implementing this change requires the following actions:
- Editing the leisure=common wiki page, in French and in English
(I'll do that)
- Reinstating the rendering of leisure=common in downstream
cartographic styles, would be even better if the color matched the
surface=* so that sandy surfaces don't appear green.
- Reinstating the rendering of leisure=common in JOSM's default style
(it recently changed to grey to mark deprecation). (I'll open a JOSM
ticket
- Altering QA rules (JOSM Validator and Osmose) so that the
leisure=common deprecation only applies to the United Kingdom of
Great Britain, where commons have a legal definition and
designation=common must be used for them. (I'll open a JOSM ticket
but if someone has prior experience interacting with the Osmose
people, that would be nice)
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