On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 11:42:09PM +0200, Volker Schmidt wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Key:access has been changed on 24 May 2020 > by Flohoff, see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access for the > current revision.
This follows HUGE changes to that article currently discussed on talk@osm which introduced a ton of issues. > To view this change, see > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:access&diff=next&oldid=1994688 > ----- > In my country (Italy) there are literally thousands of ways where it is > most likely legal to pass by bicycle, but there is no (practical) way of > finding out. > Essentially two classes: > > - plenty of ways that look from the layout like combined foot-cycle > paths but have no signage at all > - plenty of service roads which show the "no transit for any vehicle" > sign <https://images.app.goo.gl/Uh6yNJ5V646TMrWw7>, but in reality you > can happily pass with your bicycle and no policeman will ever say anything, > or even know that "no vehicle" legally includes "no bicycle", There are > plenty of cases where even signposted cycle routes follow such roads. > > I am consistently using bicycle=permissive in these cases, well being aware > that I do not know of he owner has given permission. Basically any > cycle-routing would come to a halt without this trick. > > The strict wording introduced by Florian is simply not practically > applicable here. > My questions are: > Is Italy the only country with this problem? > Is there any better proposal for tagging the situation "from all I can see > on the ground, you are allowed ride through with your bicycle" But from the point of expectation. Could a OSM User expect the tagging in OSM to be legally perfect? I suggest we as OSM would not send people through roads we are not shure are legally usable. And if you are unshure if a cyclist is allowed to go there shouldnt you avoid sending others there? At least if you are in serious doubt. Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de UTF-8 Test: The 🐈 ran after a 🐁, but the 🐁 ran away
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