On 25/5/20 8:28 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
May 24, 2020, 23:42 by vosc...@gmail.com:
The strict wording introduced by Florian is simply not practically
applicable here.
My questions are:
Is Italy the only country with this problem?
Poland used to be similar, though police sometimes setup trap where
they were fining people -
in sudden campaigns with several traps appearing for several hours
every few months.
Favorite traps included cycleways crossing roads, where cyclists were
obligated by law to dismount
due to missing cyclist crossings.
Some routes had such crossing every 200 - 250m, nobody was following
that law.
bicycle=dismount I have used, despite common practice not to dismount.
Similar to maxspeed, sign posted and legal yet many go faster.
I was tagging legal status, and had some discussions with other mappers
whatever it is desirable to do it this way.
Currently most of missing cyclist crossings are added[1], signs (for
example in forests)
more commonly explicitly allow bicycles, oneway:bicycle=no is becoming
more common
at least in some cities...
[1] It turned out that blocker was completely idiotic law requiring
pedestrian + cyclist crossings
to be at least 7 m wide, for smaller ones including cyclist crossing
was against rules.
Is there any better proposal for tagging the situation "from all I
can see on the ground, you are allowed ride through with your bicycle"
Not sure what I would do in cases where access law as written and
access law as executed
would completely diverge.
Setup new tags specially to allow to tag both verifiable legal status
and verifiable
de facto status?
bicycle=no
bicycle:de_facto=permissive
(even bicycle=permissive, bicycle:ignored_law=no would be an
improvement over
current state of not tagging legal status)
It is out of OSM scope but I also had some successes with requests to
add missing
"except bicycles" under various traffic signs (on average in last
years - about one added every month),
in some cases it was simpler than inventing fitting tagging scheme for
really absurd cases.
"Rules are for the guidance of the wise, and the obedience of fools."
The law cannot recognize the wise so all are deemed fools.
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