Looking more into this, I think the problem is with the residential / inpatient facilities.
While social_facility=hospice was documented a few years ago, amenity=hospice was much older, and healthcare=hospice is several times more common now even though it was not documented. A hospice is a palliative care facility or service for patients who are terminally ill, and it is certainly a healthcare facility, so I would support using amenity= or healthcare= hospice. Also, amenity=nursing_home is still more common than social_facility=nursing_home. At least in the USA, a real "nursing home" is a "skilled nursing facility" with RNs always on staff, who supervise patients getting their medications and physical therapy treatment etc - it's sometimes a step-down from a hospital, sometimes long-term care when you don't really need a full hospital. It's more healthcare than social. While there are non-medical "nursing homes", these are under "assisted_living" or "group_home". I would suggest deprecating social_facility=hospice, and I'm also not convinced that social_facility=nursing_home is better than amenity=nursing_home. -- Joseph Eisenberg On 4/20/20, Paul Allen <pla16...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 13:54, Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> social_facility=ambulatory_care - "An office for workers who support >> the living needs of those who can't fully support themselves" >> >> Shouldn't that be "office=ambulatory_care" or something else under >> "office"? Why is an office a social_facility? >> > > Is it just an office where people shuffle paperwork about ambulatory care > or a place where ambulatory care is provided? I see a distinction. But > if ambulatory care is provided then it should be under healthcare as an > outpatient facility. > >> >> =outreach "A non-residential facility that provides social welfare >> services such as advocacy, counseling, job placement, veterans >> services, housing placement, wellness programs, leisure activities." - >> Also not residential, not for people who require supervision. This >> should be a different tag. >> > > Office if it's just paperwork and clients visiting the office. > > "social_facility=workshop" "A non-residential work facility that >> primarily employs people with disabilities. Also includes workshops >> for rehabilitating or juvenile offenders." - This should be tagged as >> whatevery kind of "craft=" or other tag is appropriate for the >> workplace. If they make furniture, it should be craft=furniture. It's >> very strange to tag this the same as a group home or hospice. >> > > Is it or is it not a social facility within the broad meaning of the term? > I'd say that it is. It's a facility. It's social (in both meanings: > people > interact socially and it is a social service). See, for example, > https://hutsworkshop.org/about-us A quote from > https://hutsworkshop.org/huts-workshop > > we provide opportunities for exploration and support in all manner of arts > and crafts, including pottery, woodwork, jewellery making, painting, > sewing, weaving and needlework. We also offer support and learning > opportunities in IT and basic cooking skills. We run regular trips to local > venues and activities to widen experiences and offer inspiration for > creativity. > > So more than one craft (a lot more) plus things other than crafts. > > =clothing_bank/food_bank/soup_kitchen/dairy_kitchen - facility that >> distributes clothing/food/meals for cheap/free for poor people. These >> are clearly "social services" in the Western cultural sense, but I >> think it would make much more sense to tag these differently than a >> residential group home or hospice or nursing home. >> > > Yep. Maybe amenity=social_services. And maybe the workshop above would > then fit under that but I'd argue that since it provides a measure of day > care > it may be better where it is. I don't think staying overnight is a > necessary > precondition of a social facility, but some sort of supervision for hours > does. A soup kitchen is unsupervised (in the social services sense). > > -- > Paul > _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
