A search for the phrase "motion driver' finds links to some software. A search for "motion driver" + "pump" finds women's high-heel shoes.
Perhaps "motion driver' is not the correct term? A search for "pump driver" finds things about pumps, at least. Maybe "pump_driver=*" is a better key? -- Joseph Eisenberg On 4/13/20, François Lacombe <fl.infosrese...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all > > RFC on pumping proposal is went really well, with significant progresses > made these past weeks thanks to useful comments received (see Talk). > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Pumping_proposal > > Tagging has been adapted to take care of several concerns regarding > windpumps, wells and semantic complexity relative to benefits it brings. > It is still proposed to discourage pump=powered/manual as they're at least > redundant with proposed classification of pumps/drivers technologies. > Important distinction between manual and powered pumps is still possible > with the help of motion_driver key. > > I'm now looking for more examples with increased diversity of situations. > Due to covid lockdown I'm not able to get pictures of pumps in place. It > would be a pleasure to give a try to proposed tagging if someone has > existing pictures to challenge it. > Wikimedia commons will also be a privileged source of pictures as well. > > Thank in advance for any additional input, all the best > > François > > Le jeu. 19 mars 2020 à 22:51, François Lacombe <fl.infosrese...@gmail.com> > a écrit : > >> Hi Joseph and thank you for such a quick and complete comment session >> >> That 7 points allowed to change the proposal a bit and include >> man_made=windmill, watermill instead of actuator. >> Answers are available in Talk : >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Pumping_proposal >> I hope lacks of clarity are now fixed. >> In case an answers solve a problem, don't hesitate to use {{Resolved| >> comment }} template to close it. >> >> Again, anyone would be welcome to propose situations involving pumps to >> complete example sections. >> >> All the best >> >> François >> >> Le jeu. 19 mars 2020 à 03:27, Joseph Eisenberg >> <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> >> a écrit : >> >>> I oppose deprecating pump=powered, pump=manual, and pump=no. This is a >>> simple, clear system for use with water wells, and it is widely >>> supported. >>> >>> 1) Clarify use with man_made=water_well >>> >>> Currently 88% of uses of pump=* are with man_made=water_well (the rest >>> are with amenity=drinking_water) and with the 3 values: pump=powered, >>> pump=manual, pump=no. This is a simple and intuitive system for >>> mapping wells in developing countries and rural areas. >>> >>> Please clarify if you are asking mappers to add a separate >>> man_made=pump feature or if that should only be used when there is no >>> man_made=water_well feature. >>> >>> Why should we drop the use of pump=powered, pump=manual, pump=no? >>> Distinguishing pump=powered, pump=manual is easy: you can hear the >>> sound of an electric or diesel motor, and a manual pump has an obvious >>> handle or similar. And pump=no is a well with a bucket or similar. >>> >>> 2) How can mappers figure out the technology of the pump? >>> How are mappers expected to find out the pump technology mechanism? >>> Most pumps are located deep inside the well, or hidden in a service >>> building or structure next to the well. And why would this information >>> be worth mapping? >>> >>> 3) Key:actuator >>> The proposal mentions: actuator=windmill, actuator=watermill, and >>> actuator=beam_engine. What do these have to do with pumps? >>> >>> The current use of the key actuator is quite rare, but the documented >>> values are: actuator=manual, actuator=electric_motor, >>> actuator=pneumatic_cylinder, actuator=hydraulic_cylinder - these don't >>> seem to have anything to do with windmills and watermills? >>> >>> What about the exiting tags man_made=windpump, man_made=windmill, >>> man_made=watermill? Are you proposing to deprecate these common tags? >>> >>> (also in the examples "actuator=manual" is mentioned, but it isn't in >>> the >>> list) >>> >>> -- Joseph Eisenberg >>> >>> On 3/19/20, Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > François, >>> > >>> > Could you please simplify the "==Proposal==" section and make it 100% >>> > clear: >>> > >>> > 1) What new Keys and Tags (Key=Value) are being approved by the >>> > proposal >>> > 2) What old Keys and Tags are being deprecated >>> > 3) Move the Proposal section to the top, before Rationale, so people >>> > will be clear on what the proposal is going to do if it is approved. >>> > >>> > This is the current "==Proposal==" section. It's not clear what new >>> > tags are being proposed and what old tags are being deprecated. >>> > >>> > >>> > "It is proposed to complete OSM tagging for pumps used in any domain >>> > with the following tags : >>> > >>> > man_made=pump >>> > pump:output=* >>> > pump=* is currenlty established to state if a water well runs with a >>> > powered or manual pump (actually how the pump is driven if it exists). >>> > We also need a terminology to define the pump technology as many sorts >>> > exist in industry. It's then proposed to refurbish this tag with >>> > values related to pumps mechnanisms. >>> > >>> > Devices used to drive pumps (and get water in case of water wells) >>> > would be better described with existing actuator=* tag instead of >>> > pump. handle=* is also suitable for manual pumps or emergency usage >>> > with manual action when power isn't available. >>> > This option allows to avoid pump:type=* as well." >>> > >>> > -- Joseph Eisenberg >>> > >>> > On 3/19/20, François Lacombe <fl.infosrese...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> Hi all, >>> >> >>> >> Following several discussions last month, including this one: >>> >> >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2020-February/051385.html >>> >> >>> >> Here is a proposal regarding pumps, obvious devices we all more or >>> >> less >>> >> know in industries or at home. >>> >> This knowledge is useful for water management, water accessibility, >>> >> industry moderation, emergency response... >>> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Pumping_proposal >>> >> >>> >> Classification is based upon Wikipedia community extensive work about >>> 15 >>> >> different pumping mechanisms. Nevertheless, I'm pretty sure some >>> >> technologies are still missing in the proposal. >>> >> >>> >> It's currently the most ambitious version, including pump=* >>> >> conversion >>> >> for >>> >> machine mechanisms and moving driver description to existing >>> >> actuator=* >>> >> Despite a consequent re-tagging effort (on water wells particularly), >>> >> here >>> >> are some pros arguments : >>> >> - Use more appropriate terminology and wider possibilities for >>> >> drivers >>> >> with >>> >> actuator=* >>> >> - Avoid pump:type (:type doesn't bring any information) >>> >> - With 30k occurrences of pump=* and +100k for water wells, there is >>> >> still >>> >> more wells to qualify than already qualified with pump availability. >>> >> >>> >> Examples are for now incomplete. It would be great to have at least >>> >> one >>> >> use >>> >> case of each value. Feel free to contribute if you have appropriate >>> >> pictures. >>> >> >>> >> Thank in advance for any comment, all the best >>> >> >>> >> François >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >> > _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
