Hi Joseph and thank you for such a quick and complete comment session That 7 points allowed to change the proposal a bit and include man_made=windmill, watermill instead of actuator. Answers are available in Talk : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Pumping_proposal I hope lacks of clarity are now fixed. In case an answers solve a problem, don't hesitate to use {{Resolved| comment }} template to close it.
Again, anyone would be welcome to propose situations involving pumps to complete example sections. All the best François Le jeu. 19 mars 2020 à 03:27, Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> a écrit : > I oppose deprecating pump=powered, pump=manual, and pump=no. This is a > simple, clear system for use with water wells, and it is widely > supported. > > 1) Clarify use with man_made=water_well > > Currently 88% of uses of pump=* are with man_made=water_well (the rest > are with amenity=drinking_water) and with the 3 values: pump=powered, > pump=manual, pump=no. This is a simple and intuitive system for > mapping wells in developing countries and rural areas. > > Please clarify if you are asking mappers to add a separate > man_made=pump feature or if that should only be used when there is no > man_made=water_well feature. > > Why should we drop the use of pump=powered, pump=manual, pump=no? > Distinguishing pump=powered, pump=manual is easy: you can hear the > sound of an electric or diesel motor, and a manual pump has an obvious > handle or similar. And pump=no is a well with a bucket or similar. > > 2) How can mappers figure out the technology of the pump? > How are mappers expected to find out the pump technology mechanism? > Most pumps are located deep inside the well, or hidden in a service > building or structure next to the well. And why would this information > be worth mapping? > > 3) Key:actuator > The proposal mentions: actuator=windmill, actuator=watermill, and > actuator=beam_engine. What do these have to do with pumps? > > The current use of the key actuator is quite rare, but the documented > values are: actuator=manual, actuator=electric_motor, > actuator=pneumatic_cylinder, actuator=hydraulic_cylinder - these don't > seem to have anything to do with windmills and watermills? > > What about the exiting tags man_made=windpump, man_made=windmill, > man_made=watermill? Are you proposing to deprecate these common tags? > > (also in the examples "actuator=manual" is mentioned, but it isn't in the > list) > > -- Joseph Eisenberg > > On 3/19/20, Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > François, > > > > Could you please simplify the "==Proposal==" section and make it 100% > > clear: > > > > 1) What new Keys and Tags (Key=Value) are being approved by the proposal > > 2) What old Keys and Tags are being deprecated > > 3) Move the Proposal section to the top, before Rationale, so people > > will be clear on what the proposal is going to do if it is approved. > > > > This is the current "==Proposal==" section. It's not clear what new > > tags are being proposed and what old tags are being deprecated. > > > > > > "It is proposed to complete OSM tagging for pumps used in any domain > > with the following tags : > > > > man_made=pump > > pump:output=* > > pump=* is currenlty established to state if a water well runs with a > > powered or manual pump (actually how the pump is driven if it exists). > > We also need a terminology to define the pump technology as many sorts > > exist in industry. It's then proposed to refurbish this tag with > > values related to pumps mechnanisms. > > > > Devices used to drive pumps (and get water in case of water wells) > > would be better described with existing actuator=* tag instead of > > pump. handle=* is also suitable for manual pumps or emergency usage > > with manual action when power isn't available. > > This option allows to avoid pump:type=* as well." > > > > -- Joseph Eisenberg > > > > On 3/19/20, François Lacombe <fl.infosrese...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Following several discussions last month, including this one: > >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2020-February/051385.html > >> > >> Here is a proposal regarding pumps, obvious devices we all more or less > >> know in industries or at home. > >> This knowledge is useful for water management, water accessibility, > >> industry moderation, emergency response... > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Pumping_proposal > >> > >> Classification is based upon Wikipedia community extensive work about 15 > >> different pumping mechanisms. Nevertheless, I'm pretty sure some > >> technologies are still missing in the proposal. > >> > >> It's currently the most ambitious version, including pump=* conversion > >> for > >> machine mechanisms and moving driver description to existing actuator=* > >> Despite a consequent re-tagging effort (on water wells particularly), > >> here > >> are some pros arguments : > >> - Use more appropriate terminology and wider possibilities for drivers > >> with > >> actuator=* > >> - Avoid pump:type (:type doesn't bring any information) > >> - With 30k occurrences of pump=* and +100k for water wells, there is > >> still > >> more wells to qualify than already qualified with pump availability. > >> > >> Examples are for now incomplete. It would be great to have at least one > >> use > >> case of each value. Feel free to contribute if you have appropriate > >> pictures. > >> > >> Thank in advance for any comment, all the best > >> > >> François > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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