On 19/08/2019 17:21, Peter Elderson wrote:
the only way for the likes of me is to use detection tools and maintenance tools to order data by hand at the mapping level, so ordinary people can use waymarkedtrails to get usable linear gpx-s for their basecamps, route editors, trip planners, navigation apps and devices.
You keep perpetrating this myth - you're suggesting again that ways in routes need to be sorted before they can be used in Garmin software and navigation devices. It simply isn't true. For about 11 years now I've been creating Garmin maps based on OSM data, and I've been walking along local and national trails in the UK for far longer. Never have I needed to "follow a GPX" - it seems a very alien thing to want to do, and (as mentioned previously) isn't actually supported by any of the various Garmin hiking GPSs that I've used. If you want to do that - fine - but not everyone does.
I suspect that "Ordinary people" will just download OSM maps from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/or one of the alternatives - they'll see the route on-screen and they will navigate using that. Sometimes they'll stray from it because they've arranged somewhere to eat or stay; they're not limited to "only walking along the actual ways that form the official route" which you seem to be.
If you have a different requirement then that's very much a personal requirement for you; please don't try and dissuade "ordinary people" from contributing to mapping hiking routes. If you want to manually sort and rearrange hiking route data in a way that doesn't prevent everyone else from contributing that's also fine, but please don't raise the bar to contributions so high that people can't contribute at all. You'd essentially be filling the role that Kevin Kenny identified above as "Someone in the community who can handle relations will then have the geometry already established, so tidying the topology becomes a clerical task".
The people we want adding hiking routes to OSM are people who've just taken their boots off, know where routes have been diverted, and know what the surface tags etc. should be, not people who've never emerged from behind a PC.
Best Regards, Andy
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