Hi,

from what I understood, "access aisle" is an official term only in the US, as described in the ADA standards (https://www.access-board.gov/guidelines-and-standards/buildings-and-sites/about-the-ada-standards/guide-to-the-ada-standards/chapter-5-parking), but it describes clearly (as least for a non native English speaker like me) what is it.

For mapping accessibility paths for disabled persons, I think it is quite important to have this information, so that its presence and accessibility from e.g. the sidewalk, is well represented (with e.g. tags describing kerbs). This picture [0] to me describes well the reason this can be really useful.

To only have amenity=parking_space mapped wouldn't help in describing and understanding the accessibility of the parking place from the footpaths/sidewalks.

I'm not sure about the use of the egress areas, that seem to be less related to access paths for disabled persons, and more related to areas not usable by other cars...

Ale

[0] https://www.access-board.gov/images/guidelines_standards/Buildings_Sites/guides/chapter5/5p15a.JPG

On 02/05/19 12:36, Tony Shield wrote:

Hi

[AA] is a Mapillary picture of a typical UK disabled parking bay, the hatched area is a what I think you are calling an 'access aisle'.  Those particular disabled parking bays are legally designated and enforced.

I see that tags amenity <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:amenity>=parking_space and parking_space <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:parking_space&action=edit&redlink=1>=disabled <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:parking_space%3Ddisabled&action=edit&redlink=1>

are not described in the wiki but to my mind an entry for parking_space = disabled should meet the local space and marking scheme so in the UK a parking_space=disabled would without further definition include an egress space. If there is a wish to specifically mark those hatched areas then I suggest the use of the word 'egress' .

[AA] https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/5PAU747rlUdNrCaDtUNDuA

Regards

TonyS999

On 02/05/2019 10:54, Volker Schmidt wrote:
I would consider what is here described as access aisle (according to the photo [1]) part of the parking space. Here in Italy any parking space for the disabled has a dedicated "access aisle" similar to the photo. If you want to achieve disabled (wheelchair) routing I would assume it to be sufficient to map the disabled parking spaces within the car park.

[1] https://mycloud.snowandsnow.us/index.php/s/F2mAATCQ54SzfcT

On Thu, 2 May 2019 at 11:31, Tony Shield <tony.shield...@gmail.com <mailto:tony.shield...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Having today downloaded and read SN01360 [2] |I disagree with the
    interpretation. In that document there is only one mention of
    'aisle' it being an 'access aisle' in Section 5.4 paragraph
    marked Off-Street Parking  -" *Off-street parking*: bays should
    be a minimum of 4800 mm long
    by 2400 mm wide with additional space: (1) where bays are
    parallel to the access aisle and access is available from the side an
    extra length of at least 180 0mm, or (2) where bays are
    perpendicular to the access aisle, an additional width of at least
    1200 mm along each side.

    I read that as saying the 'access aisle' is that which in OSM is
    marked as 'parking _aisle', and it leads to a parking bay
    designated for disabled users, the 'access aisle' is not
    exclusively for the use of disabled users. I am of the opinion
    that 'access' is misinterpreted to refer only to disabled users
    which is a very restrictive interpretation of the usual
    interpretation of access being for anybody. I think it is
    something to be very careful about.
    Usage in the UK supports my interpretation - I know of many car
    parks where ordinary and disabled spaces are next to each other
    and accessed by a single way which has no restrictions.

    For parking bays I think that the tag:amenity=parking _space is
    clear.

    Regards
    TonyS999

    On 02/05/2019 08:21, Alessandro Sarretta wrote:

    Hi Clifford,

    On 02/05/19 00:13, Clifford Snow wrote:
    Since the off loading area is called an access aisle, both in
    the US and UK [2], it seem to me that it would be an
    appropriate term to use.  Would using highway=footway +
    footway=access_aisle +  wheelchair=yes be a more acceptable
    tagging scheme? My concern is that just adding wheelchair=yes
    to a footway doesn't get at the requirement for the width of
    the access_aisle.


    [1]
    
https://www.access-board.gov/guidelines-and-standards/buildings-and-sites/about-the-ada-standards/guide-to-the-ada-standards/chapter-5-parking
    [2]
    https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01360/SN01360.pdf

    I'm really supporting your proposal for a highway=footway +
    footway=access_aisle.

    I would match this with a wheelchair=designated instead of a
    wheelchair=yes, as suggested by Mateusz Konieczny.

    Best,

    Ale


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