Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2019 11:20:01 +0100
From: Sergio Manzi <s...@smz.it>
To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch


Thank-you for confirming that, Mark.

Personally I think we, in OSM, should stop with this folly of overloading 
English words with meanings they do not have in *any *dictionary (be it AmE, 
BrE, CaE, or whatever).

Both the "ditch" and "drain" words *can *be used to describe certain features in 
English. The difference is essentially an etymological one, with one related to the *process *of 
excavation (dig -> ditch) and the other to the *function *of carrying liquids away (dry -> drain).

If we want to precisely map certain characteristics of a feature we should do 
it explicitly through a *correct data model* that takes into consideration the 
particular aspect we are trying to communicate. We want to communicate the 
information that a (small) waterway is lined with concrete? Just say that with 
an appropriate tag, like e.g. lined=*, or lining=*. We want to communicate the 
information that a (small) waterway is used to carry waste water away? Once 
again, let's say that with an appropriate tag, like e.g. usage=* (/please 
ignore if the specific tags I put in the examples are not of your liking: not 
the point here, let's discuss that later.../).

Arbitrarily overloading words with meanings they do not have in the common 
language is just a perfect way to Babel, that is a reduction in information.

Sergio

[...]

I tend to agree.  Sometimes I feel these endless debates on trying to decide 
the meaning of tags is like reinventing the wheel (reinventing the definition).

Mark



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