On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 11:39 AM Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote: > In any case, on your original question, I would tend towards a national > consensus that doesn't deviate too much from the population guidelines in the > wiki, if at all reasonable. The US-Hamlet usage is an oddity that, IMHO, > should not serve as a role model.
What's odd? Our administrative boundaries? I can't fix that. (Sometimes, I do think US mappers get treated with "the tagging model is fine, fix your country!" but I don't *think* that's what you're arguing here.) We also have administrative regions with indefinite boundaries, which means that there's some force-fitting in OSM - but that's what we have. Not all our county lines have ever been surveyed. (US government practice is to map them with a fainter line and the words INDEFINITE BOUNDARY as at https://caltopo.com/l/D1KV.) Our data modelling? In US practice, place=* is based on relative importance, not on legal designation. Any boundary=administrative, of course, has to follow the legal designation, and in New York at least, the designations of 'city', 'town', 'village' and 'hamlet' are based on form of government, not on size or importance. That's why we *don't* use them to inform place=*, but represent them with admin_level=*. (Otherwise, it's a total mess, because of the size inversions that I mentioned.) By the way, I'd call it a 'New York State hamlet usage', because other states have other forms of municipal government. That's why we have that involved table on the Wiki for mapping the administrative regions of the different states to admin_level=*. Also, our admin_level's are not strictly hierarchical, because our municipal governments aren't either. But we don't have the luxury of making our politics fit our map. Making place=* depend on relative importance or population, while boundary=administrative depends on political organization, seems to follow accepted OSM practice, as far as I can tell. Where have we gone astray? _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
