Joseph, I take note of your opinion (/but I beg to differ as I was thinking in a general/theoretical way and not specifically to the example brought on by Eugene/).
Just let me clarify that in my examples the English tag were always present (/there were always water=pond/): *that was on purpose* as I never thought about features tagged by language-specific tags *only*. Cheers, Sergio On 2018-12-06 02:16, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > It’s difficult enough that Indonesians have to understand English to use > OpenStreetMap effectively, or at least have to find English-based tags that > match Indonesian words. But if we encourage inventing tagging things in > hundreds of languages it will become even more difficult to use this global > database. > > I’d suggest that the original poster, Eugene Podshivaliv, or other Russian > language speakers, talk about what defines the difference between the two > types of pond, “пруд” and “копанка”, and then make a new subtag for pond=* > If there is no better word we could even use pond=копанка for example, but I > suspect that it could be translated. > > If there is no consistent difference between the two words, then a new tag > should not be used. > > For example, in America we can call a waterway=stream a “brook”, “creek”, > “run” and several other things. These waterways will be tagged > waterway=stream or =river (depending on size) with name=“Bull Run”, =“Walker > Creek”, =“Johnson’s Brook”, etc. > > We don’t use waterway=creek or waterway=run because there is no consistent > difference between these. In fact in Standard British English a Creek is > often a tidal channel in a salt marsh or mangroves. > > OSM tags should have a consistent definition. > > On the other hand, a name can contain whatever the feature is called locally, > and this can include pond, lake, mere, tarn, brook, stream, creek, run, etc. > > So it would be best to use one of the many existing name tags to include the > local term, which is often considered part of the name. > > Eg, alt_name:ru=, loc_name=, official_name= etc, as appropriate based on > local usage. > > -Joseph > > On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 9:47 AM Sergio Manzi <s...@smz.it > <mailto:s...@smz.it>> wrote: > > I mean, in a more general way and going back to the pond case, > > object 1: > > natural=water > water=pond > water:RU=пруд > > object 2 > > natural=water > water=pond > water:RU=копанка > > would respect both *our *sensibility to "see" the two objects as ponds > and *their *sensibility to "see" the two as whatever they think they are. > > > On 2018-12-06 01:37, Sergio Manzi wrote: >> >> In this case I think the "alt_name:ru" tag solution could be a very good >> solution (/but I leave this to our Russian friend to decide.../), but why do >> you see that preferable to the water:ru=озеро solution? >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
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