Hi,
You are right Andy, it depends a lot about the use case problem you are
trying to fix.
Let's say they are two use cases:
The first one is about creating polygons from administrative boundaries
relations, to make some geographical inclusions or reverse geocoding magic.
I use Cosmogony <http://cosmogony.world/#/about> for that. Overlapping
and unclaimed territories do create inconsistencies, but from my point
of view, this is a minor issue.
My second use case is rendering.
And rendering the disputed borders of Croatia and Serbia
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=11/45.7714/18.9494> (for instance)
as they are right now in OSM does not look good in my opinion. The
resulting map is quite a mess and it looks like there is another country
in between, or some kind of enclave ... This is mainly about create a
map that is understandable
And this issue is well solved by Paul Norman's approach in osmborder
<https://github.com/pnorman/osmborder>, which uses disputed=yes (and a
few other tags with the same meaning) to flag the parts of the borders
that are disputed and allow to render them differently, just like in
Graeme's drawing.
My question is all about that: do we consider this as a good practice ?
Is it ok if I add disputed=yes all over the Croatia / Serbia way borders ?
I hope it helps clarify the purpose ;)
Noémie Lehuby
Qwant Research
Le 13/11/2018 à 21:37, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org a écrit :
From: Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com>
To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Add some tag to identify disputed borders
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On 12/11/2018 13:21, Noémie Lehuby wrote:
Should we consider the disputed=yes tag on boundary ways as a /de
facto/ standard and uniformize a few borders ?
Can you give examples of where you'd use it? There are many, many
examples of disputed borders in OSM and they have been mapped in
different ways. Each dispute is different - sometimes theren't no
dispute about where the border is, just about the status. Sometimes
there are oddities (like Bir Tawil) where there are both different
overlapping claims and completely unclaimed territory.
You gave a couple of examples of "different ways of mapping" in OSM in
an earlier post, saying that some examples in OSM don't match
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/d/d8/DisputedTerritoriesInformation.pdf
. You also gave a couple of examples where there are overlapping
borders in OSM. I can think of a couple of places (Somalia / Somaliland
is one example, various maritime disputes are others) where this may
actually be the best way of mapping reality. I'm not convinced a simple
"disputed=yes" tag would help much.
Should we create a proposal about this tag ?
Without a bit more discussion about what the problem that you're trying
to solve here actually is I'm not convinced that that will help
The borders data do not fit the doc...
Just to be clear, which documentation are you actually talking about?
There are lots of bits and pieces in the OSM wiki, and lots of them
contradict one another.
...and the statement from the Foundation and are not really usable
right now...
Can you give an example of a border that you can't apply the examples in
DisputedTerritoriesInformation.pdf to? What problem are you actually
trying to solve? are you:
* Trying to find a graphical representation showing that "there is a
dispute here"?
* Trying to parcel up the world into best-fit single territories (to
avoid double counting) for non-graphical processing?
* Trying to display actual territorial control?
* Trying to show what type of dispute exists somewhere?
All of these are somewhat different problems... I'm not saying that
there isn't a problem to be solved here (in fact there are many
different ones).
Best Regards,
Andy
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