Seems you are confusing passing places [1], i.e. a short widening on a road, with lanes for slow moving vehicles [2,3], which can have a length of several kilometres.
[1]: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Scotland_Kinlochewe_SingleTrackRoad.jpg [2]: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/43.80368/3.32584 [3]: https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/_XEbuAglW1MY1l6D-jk9rA On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 at 18:54, Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have been ignoring bus bays for several years and I'm happy we now have a > way to tag them. These extra lanes are very similar, so I'd say that is the > way to go for mapping them. No need for a preset, you'll find that the double > split map mode in PT_Assistant is a lot more practical to split a way in 2 > places at once. > > British English seems to use passing place. So what about? > > passing_place=right / left / both > > Where both is unlikely, of course. > > Polyglot > > Op do 13 sep. 2018 om 16:46 schreef Dave Swarthout <daveswarth...@gmail.com>: >> >> Tod writes: >> >In California the narrow mountain roads will have “turn outs”. These are >> >very short, basically just enough room for a >vehicle to pull over and stop >> >to allow others to pass. These are signed in advance with something like >> >“Turn out 500 ft >ahead”. >> >> These are tagged in OSM, according to the Wiki, as highway=passing_place and >> the use of the tag is restricted to nodes. The restriction is probably >> because those places are so short and nodes, except for the problem of >> directionality, as you and others point out, do the job well enough. But >> that tag won't work in my case because these are actual separate lanes with >> a significant length. Clearly, some sort of definitive tagging for ways is >> needed. >> >> Consequently, I've been ignoring turnouts in my own work although I've >> always felt they should be mapped. I wanted to get things right before >> settling on a scenario, writing a short JOSM preset to increase efficiency, >> and then proceeding to tag them. >> >> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:15 PM Tod Fitch <t...@fitchdesign.com> wrote: >>> >>> In California the narrow mountain roads will have “turn outs”. These are >>> very short, basically just enough room for a vehicle to pull over and stop >>> to allow others to pass. These are signed in advance with something like >>> “Turn out 500 ft ahead”. >>> >>> There are also “passing lane” signs for areas where an extra lane extends >>> long enough for slow vehicles to maintain their speed in the new right >>> lane. These are generally signed longer in advance, e.g. “passing lane 1 >>> mi”. >>> >>> And on long grades like on the “grapevine” on I-5 between Bakersfield there >>> are slow vehicle lanes marked off with a solid white line that extend for >>> the full length of both up and down grades that are too steep for a loaded >>> HGV to handle at the normal flat land speed limit. All the ones I can think >>> of have reduced HGV speed limits. >>> >>> Reading through this discussion I have the feeling that some areas have one >>> or another of these features but not all three and are somehow assuming >>> that what they are familiar with covers all the cases. For myself, I add >>> slow vehicle lanes and passing lanes to the roadway along with any other >>> tagging (maxspeed:hgv, change:lanes, etc.) And for turn outs, I either >>> ignore them or put a node. Problem with a node is that the turn out is for >>> one direction of travel and nodes are not good for that. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Tod >>> >>> On Sep 13, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Kevin <ksamp...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Here in Georgia (USA) I believe we call these types of lanes "passing >>> lanes". But that's usually only in reference to the left lane. You >>> generally stay to the right except to pass. >>> >>> https://www.dawsonnews.com/local/gdot-remove-hwy-53-passing-lane/ >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 6:21 PM, Dave Swarthout <daveswarth...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >You say "turnout". But physically, is it just an additional lane that >>>> >appears, and (more or less) one is obligated to move right one lane into >>>> >it if you're in the way? >>>> >>>> Exactly. I explained this several posts ago. It is an additional lane, >>>> running for perhaps a quarter mile, sometimes longer, that any vehicle >>>> which is holding back some number of other vehicles is obligated to use so >>>> that those following vehicles may pass. The reason I used the term >>>> "turnout" is because the signage erected by the Alaska DOT uses that term, >>>> as in, "Slow Vehicle Turnout Ahead 1500 feet". >>>> >>>> I see polyglot is ready to add some sort of processing to JOSM's >>>> PT_Assistant plugin if only we can decide what to call such lanes in OSM. >>>> I think the term slow_vehicle would work just fine. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 12:11 AM Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A few months ago bus_bay=left|right|both was voted. For me this is >>>>> similar, albeit over a longer distance. >>>>> >>>>> extra_lane_for_slow_moving_traffic_to_compulsory_halt_to_let_other_traffic_pass_by=left|right|both >>>>> ? >>>>> >>>>> If you figure out which tag to use, we'll add it to the double split map >>>>> mode of JOSM's PT_Assistant plugin. >>>>> >>>>> Polyglot >>>>> >>>>> Op wo 12 sep. 2018 om 18:49 schreef Greg Troxel <g...@lexort.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > Again, I emphasize, this is not a crawler lane or a hill climbing >>>>>> > lane. It >>>>>> > is a lane into which one pulls over to allow faster moving traffic to >>>>>> > pass. >>>>>> > In fact, Alaskan law demands that any vehicle being followed by 5 >>>>>> > vehicles >>>>>> > must, at the first opportunity, allow those vehicles to pass. I doubt >>>>>> > anyone has ever been ticketed for this offense but nevertheless, the >>>>>> > law >>>>>> > exists. Alaskan highways also have hill climbing lanes that are signed >>>>>> > "keep right except to pass". Those lanes are not the same as this one. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, didn't get that this is not climbing lane (my fault). In New >>>>>> England, extra lanes that one would associate with "slow vehicle" are >>>>>> 99% on hills. >>>>>> >>>>>> > Perhaps "slow_moving" isn't the best term for this sort of highway >>>>>> > turnout >>>>>> > but it does the job. >>>>>> >>>>>> You say "turnout". But physically, is it just an additional lane that >>>>>> appears, and (more or less) one is obligated to move right one lane into >>>>>> it if you're in the way? >>>>>> >>>>>> Do any routers do anything? An example of how the data would be used, >>>>>> or how you think it would be used in an ideal future might be >>>>>> illuminaing. Perhaps one's car computer could notice from forward >>>>>> radar that there is obstructing traffic and query osmand and give you a >>>>>> notification that the road becomes multilane in some distance, so you >>>>>> can get ready to blink to get the obstructor to move over if they stay >>>>>> left? In that case, I wonder about the difference between a change to >>>>>> two lanes (perhaps because the row is wide enough and the long-term plan >>>>>> is 2) and a specific place like you describe. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Tagging mailing list >>>>>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dave Swarthout >>>> Homer, Alaska >>>> Chiang Mai, Thailand >>>> Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Tagging mailing list >>>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Dave Swarthout >> Homer, Alaska >> Chiang Mai, Thailand >> Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
