I have been ignoring bus bays for several years and I'm happy we now have a way to tag them. These extra lanes are very similar, so I'd say that is the way to go for mapping them. No need for a preset, you'll find that the double split map mode in PT_Assistant is a lot more practical to split a way in 2 places at once.
British English seems to use passing place. So what about? passing_place=right / left / both Where both is unlikely, of course. Polyglot Op do 13 sep. 2018 om 16:46 schreef Dave Swarthout <daveswarth...@gmail.com >: > Tod writes: > >In California the narrow mountain roads will have “turn outs”. These are > very short, basically just enough room for a >vehicle to pull over and stop > to allow others to pass. These are signed in advance with something like > “Turn out 500 ft >ahead”. > > These are tagged in OSM, according to the Wiki, as highway=passing_place > and the use of the tag is restricted to nodes. The restriction is probably > because those places are so short and nodes, except for the problem of > directionality, as you and others point out, do the job well enough. But > that tag won't work in my case because these are actual separate lanes with > a significant length. Clearly, some sort of definitive tagging for ways is > needed. > > Consequently, I've been ignoring turnouts in my own work although I've > always felt they should be mapped. I wanted to get things right before > settling on a scenario, writing a short JOSM preset to increase efficiency, > and then proceeding to tag them. > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:15 PM Tod Fitch <t...@fitchdesign.com> wrote: > >> In California the narrow mountain roads will have “turn outs”. These are >> very short, basically just enough room for a vehicle to pull over and stop >> to allow others to pass. These are signed in advance with something like >> “Turn out 500 ft ahead”. >> >> There are also “passing lane” signs for areas where an extra lane extends >> long enough for slow vehicles to maintain their speed in the new right >> lane. These are generally signed longer in advance, e.g. “passing lane 1 >> mi”. >> >> And on long grades like on the “grapevine” on I-5 between Bakersfield >> there are slow vehicle lanes marked off with a solid white line that extend >> for the full length of both up and down grades that are too steep for a >> loaded HGV to handle at the normal flat land speed limit. All the ones I >> can think of have reduced HGV speed limits. >> >> Reading through this discussion I have the feeling that some areas have >> one or another of these features but not all three and are somehow assuming >> that what they are familiar with covers all the cases. For myself, I add >> slow vehicle lanes and passing lanes to the roadway along with any other >> tagging (maxspeed:hgv, change:lanes, etc.) And for turn outs, I either >> ignore them or put a node. Problem with a node is that the turn out is for >> one direction of travel and nodes are not good for that. >> >> Cheers, >> Tod >> >> On Sep 13, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Kevin <ksamp...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Here in Georgia (USA) I believe we call these types of lanes "passing >> lanes". But that's usually only in reference to the left lane. You >> generally stay to the right except to pass. >> >> https://www.dawsonnews.com/local/gdot-remove-hwy-53-passing-lane/ >> >> Kevin >> >> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 6:21 PM, Dave Swarthout <daveswarth...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >You say "turnout". But physically, is it just an additional lane that >>> >appears, and (more or less) one is obligated to move right one lane into >>> >it if you're in the way? >>> >>> Exactly. I explained this several posts ago. It is an additional lane, >>> running for perhaps a quarter mile, sometimes longer, that any vehicle >>> which is holding back some number of other vehicles is obligated to use so >>> that those following vehicles may pass. The reason I used the term >>> "turnout" is because the signage erected by the Alaska DOT uses that term, >>> as in, "Slow Vehicle Turnout Ahead 1500 feet". >>> >>> I see polyglot is ready to add some sort of processing to JOSM's >>> PT_Assistant plugin if only we can decide what to call such lanes in OSM. I >>> think the term slow_vehicle would work just fine. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 12:11 AM Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> A few months ago bus_bay=left|right|both was voted. For me this is >>>> similar, albeit over a longer distance. >>>> >>>> extra_lane_for_slow_moving_traffic_to_compulsory_halt_to_let_other_traffic_pass_by=left|right|both >>>> ? >>>> >>>> If you figure out which tag to use, we'll add it to the double split >>>> map mode of JOSM's PT_Assistant plugin. >>>> >>>> Polyglot >>>> >>>> Op wo 12 sep. 2018 om 18:49 schreef Greg Troxel <g...@lexort.com>: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> > Again, I emphasize, this is not a crawler lane or a hill climbing >>>>> lane. It >>>>> > is a lane into which one pulls over to allow faster moving traffic >>>>> to pass. >>>>> > In fact, Alaskan law demands that any vehicle being followed by 5 >>>>> vehicles >>>>> > must, at the first opportunity, allow those vehicles to pass. I doubt >>>>> > anyone has ever been ticketed for this offense but nevertheless, the >>>>> law >>>>> > exists. Alaskan highways also have hill climbing lanes that are >>>>> signed >>>>> > "keep right except to pass". Those lanes are not the same as this >>>>> one. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, didn't get that this is not climbing lane (my fault). In New >>>>> England, extra lanes that one would associate with "slow vehicle" are >>>>> 99% on hills. >>>>> >>>>> > Perhaps "slow_moving" isn't the best term for this sort of highway >>>>> turnout >>>>> > but it does the job. >>>>> >>>>> You say "turnout". But physically, is it just an additional lane that >>>>> appears, and (more or less) one is obligated to move right one lane >>>>> into >>>>> it if you're in the way? >>>>> >>>>> Do any routers do anything? An example of how the data would be used, >>>>> or how you think it would be used in an ideal future might be >>>>> illuminaing. Perhaps one's car computer could notice from forward >>>>> radar that there is obstructing traffic and query osmand and give you a >>>>> notification that the road becomes multilane in some distance, so you >>>>> can get ready to blink to get the obstructor to move over if they stay >>>>> left? In that case, I wonder about the difference between a change to >>>>> two lanes (perhaps because the row is wide enough and the long-term >>>>> plan >>>>> is 2) and a specific place like you describe. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Tagging mailing list >>>>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dave Swarthout >>> Homer, Alaska >>> Chiang Mai, Thailand >>> Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> >> > > -- > Dave Swarthout > Homer, Alaska > Chiang Mai, Thailand > Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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