I don't think 'circular' is the best word... implies round .. and at
least some are not round.
continuous_route?
looped_route?
On 28/05/18 18:24, Peter Elderson wrote:
I think for waymarked circular trails the UK English meaning is not
too far off. The waymarks and often available
map/leaflet/booklet/description do indeed bring you back to the
starting point. (Remember the walking_bus discussion?)
Having said that, I think circular_route is more to-the-point, it
targets the route itself instead of the service. I have asked the
Dutch community for input on retagging roundtrip=yes (for
foot/hiking/cycling routes) to circular_route=yes, and using
closed_loop=yes for the purpose of validation.
2018-05-28 10:01 GMT+02:00 Jo <winfi...@gmail.com
<mailto:winfi...@gmail.com>>:
I only saw the discussion in this thread, came to the conclusion I
(and probably many other Dutch and German speakers) had
interpreted the meaning completely wrong.
The tag is indeed meaningless, as it stands. Especially for public
transport, where it really doesn't matter. We're describing
itineraries. For hiking/cycling it's a misnomer. So it would be
good to phase it out.
What I'm trying to accomplish, while we're doing that is to not
only replace it with circular_route, to indicate intent, but to
also add a tag that validators can use to perform validation.
Jo
2018-05-28 9:54 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt <vosc...@gmail.com
<mailto:vosc...@gmail.com>>:
Have you seen the discussion on the roundtrip tag [1]?
It looks as if there are two different roundtrip concepts in use:
For hiking or cycling routes it means that the route you
follow brings you back to the starting point with the outwards
route and the return route (mostly) different.
in a traffic service round trip is often used to indicate a
service "there and back"
"roundtrip=yes|no" is an unfortunate choice of key as it has
wo meanings, mainly ccording to which side of the Atlantic
Ocean you are. but its in use about 25k times.
It might have been better to have something like "loop=yes|no"
for hiking and cycling routes.
For bus|underground|tram lines it might have been better to
use something like "geometry=linear|circular|..." for
transportation routes.
[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:roundtrip
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:roundtrip>
On 28 May 2018 at 08:52, Jo <winfi...@gmail.com
<mailto:winfi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
From what I gathered during this discussion, roundtrip is
mostly understood and used wrongly by mappers.
It's also not something about the route, but rather about
a passenger who buys a ticket to come back the same way
the same day/weekend and paying the return fare on the
same ticket (aller/retour - heen- en terug).
So I went and downloaded all objects tagged with
roundtrip. The one I changed needed major clean up in its
members anyway.
So how do we get from a meaningless tag (roundtrip) to
something that actually has meaning for itineraries?
I think that on the one hand we need a tag to describe
what the user can expect (get back to approximate initial
position) and on the other hand it would be nice (for
validation purposes) to know if the ways in the relation
are supposed to form a closed loop.
hence:
circular_route=yes
closed_loop=no
for that particular bus route.
Polyglot
2018-05-28 7:47 GMT+02:00
<osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au
<mailto:osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au>>:
The real question, which as far as I can tell you
haven’t answered, is: Does that same vehicle, after
completing its route, start at the beginning of the
same route again?
Based on your description, the route as mapped is
A1->B->C->D->E->A2.
Can I get on at E, stay on the vehicle, and get off at
B? (In which case I would expect that after finishing
at A2, the vehicle goes to A1, and you can remain on
board during that time. A2 may be (but doesn’t have
to) an “exit only” and A1 and “entry only” stop).
If yes, then it is roundtrip=yes. And you shouldn’t
just remove an existing tag that actually applies.
If no, then the roundtrip=yes is wrong and should be
removed.
*From:*Jo <winfi...@gmail.com
<mailto:winfi...@gmail.com>>
*Sent:* Monday, 28 May 2018 15:13
*To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
<tagging@openstreetmap.org
<mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org>>
*Subject:* Re: [Tagging] roundtrip
An example of a (bus) route that goes out and comes
back to the same location. It's not circle shaped at
all, but that shouldn't matter for circular route.
I removed roundtrip=yes and replaced it with
circular_route=yes
closed_loop=no
If the last way wouldn't be in there, closed_loop
would be yes. But the first and the last bus stops are
not exactly opposite one another.
Jo
2018-05-27 6:22 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson
<ba...@ursamundi.org <mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org>>:
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 5:41 AM, Peter Elderson
<pelder...@gmail.com <mailto:pelder...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
I wish you a happy trip on that bus, hope it
has toilets and a tolerable coffee machine
Oh, you sweet, summer child. Someone's never tried
to take a suburban route in the US, even in a
"transit oriented" American city...
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