I don't mean that they shouldn't be mapped but that I'd rather not use the public transport scheme for it.
On 6 May 2018 at 10:53, Erkin Alp Güney <erkinalp9...@gmail.com> wrote: > What about foot tram routes? Should they be mapped? > > > 06-05-2018 11:51 tarihinde Selfish Seahorse yazdı: >> Hi, >> >> Like Martin, I think the public transport scheme should not be used >> here, because a walking bus is neither a form of transport nor is it >> really public. >> >> >> On 6 May 2018 at 09:45, Lorenzo Stucchi <lorenzo.stuc...@mail.polimi.it> >> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I’m sorry for the error that I made using the old Public Transport scheme, >>> so according to what was proposed before I correct the page proposing the >>> tag: walikingbus=yes to be used with public_transport=platform like was now >>> proposed in the page >>> >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Walkingbus_stop >>> >>> Thanks and sorry again for my mistake >>> Hi, >>> LorenzoStucchi >>> >>> Date: Sun, 6 May 2018 12:28:09 +1000 >>> From: <osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au> >>> To: "'Tag discussion, strategy and related tools'" >>> <tagging@openstreetmap.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop >>> Message-ID: <00ab01d3e4e1$e1575d50$a40617f0$@thorsten.engler.id.au> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Well, but based on your description, these are not planned routes in any >>> way. They are purely transient emergent behaviour based on the fact that a >>> lot of people want to move between these two points, and this is the obvious >>> way to go. >>> >>> Take the people away, and the phenomenon disappears. This is not something >>> that does not exist on its own. >>> >>> A bus route, a foot or hiking route, or a walking bus route on the other >>> hand all exist even in the absence of people There are stops with signs, >>> guiding signs, brochures showing the route... The route is planned and >>> documented, and (at least till someone changes the planning) operate and >>> exist even in the absence of people using them. >>> >>> The only thing that exist of what you describe is the environment that >>> promotes this particular emergent behaviour, like the pedestrian zone sign, >>> and these can and should obviously be mapped. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Erkin Alp Güney <erkinalp9...@gmail.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2018 00:59 >>> To: tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop >>> >>> Not really transient and some routes can be over 500m in length. For >>> example, in Karşıyaka, more than 100 people/min/sq-m walks following >>> Bahriye Üçok Boulevard (western sidewalk only) and Kemalpaşa Avenue >>> (pedestrianised during the day and evening, pedestrian priority >>> otherwise, marked by a pedestrian zone sign) between Karşıyaka >>> Underground Car Parking and "Hergele Meydanı" (all comers' square). >>> >>> >>> 05-05-2018 17:51 tarihinde osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au yazdı: >>> >>> If they are unmarked on the ground, are they documented somewhere? >>> >>> Or is it simply a case of "this is a common route a lot of people >>> >>> walk >>> >>> during certain times as there is a strong flow of people from A to >>> >>> B >>> >>> and this is the most commonly used route"? (In which case they >>> >>> aren't >>> >>> really something that exists as an entity of it's own and are only >>> >>> a >>> >>> transient event, though maybe a commonly reoccurring one.) >>> >>> In either case, it doesn't sound like a "walking bus" at all. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Erkin Alp Güney <erkinalp9...@gmail.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2018 00:09 >>> To: tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop >>> >>> No, foot tram routes are unmarked but you can easily join one by >>> following the crowd. Normal foot routes have guiding signs. >>> >>> >>> 05-05-2018 17:05 tarihinde osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au >>> >>> yazdı: >>> >>> Without a "driver", fixed "stops" and a defined schedule, that >>> >>> sounds more like what's currently already mapped using >>> >>> route=foot >>> >>> relations? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Erkin Alp Güney <erkinalp9...@gmail.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, 5 May 2018 23:28 >>> To: tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop >>> >>> We also have walking bus routes in Turkey but without drivers. >>> >>> We >>> >>> call them "tabanvay", foot tram. You can have very crowded >>> >>> walking >>> >>> bus routes in peak times, especially in pedestrian road >>> >>> networks. >>> >>> >>> >>> 05-05-2018 15:59 tarihinde osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au >>> >>> yazdı: >>> >>> If there are actual poles and stop signs, you can only “board” >>> >>> at >>> >>> these places and at specific times, and the “driver” stays >>> >>> with >>> >>> the >>> >>> group from the first to the last stop, then yeah, I can see >>> >>> this >>> >>> as >>> >>> being very different from a “school crossing guard” which >>> >>> generally >>> >>> stays at one specific crossing and controls the traffic there. >>> >>> And >>> >>> under these conditions, I think the term “platform” as it is >>> >>> used >>> >>> in >>> >>> PTv2 does apply to the position of the poles. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:*Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, 5 May 2018 22:42 >>> *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools >>> <tagging@openstreetmap.org> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - >>> >>> Walkingbus_stop >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> sent from a phone >>> >>> >>> On 4. May 2018, at 22:34, Johnparis <ok...@johnfreed.com >>> <mailto:ok...@johnfreed.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Please DO follow Thorsten's suggestion and follow PTv2, >>> >>> mapping >>> >>> the stops as nodes alongside the street/way (not on it) in >>> >>> the >>> >>> proper direction. Tag each one: >>> >>> walking_bus=yes >>> >>> public_transport=platform >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> is walking really a kind of “public transport”? Are we going >>> >>> to >>> >>> tag >>> >>> places as public transport platforms where people are waiting >>> >>> for >>> >>> someone else to accompany them for walking somewhere? >>> >>> >>> >>> To me “walking bus” seems just a new buzzword for a service >>> >>> that >>> >>> has >>> >>> been in existence for a long time (school crossing guards) and >>> >>> that >>> >>> was never considered public transport until someone proclaimed >>> >>> it >>> >>> could be seen as kind of “bus” but without a vehicle ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> I don’t think it shouldn’t be tagged, but I don’t see it as >>> >>> public >>> >>> transport either, particularly I don’t believe we should use >>> >>> the >>> >>> term >>> >>> platform in context of this kind of service >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> cheers, >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: Digest Footer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> End of Tagging Digest, Vol 104, Issue 17 >>> **************************************** >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
