> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 12:26:24 +1100 > From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Tagging] war_memorial > Message-ID: <d629b324-0ddd-a810-7a33-1e3af9d2a...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > On 04-Oct-17 12:00 PM, Bill Ricker wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick > > <graemefi...@gmail.com <mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Question on memorials v monuments thanks. > > > > How about a memorial arboretum > > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arboretum > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arboretum>), a commemorative > > planted grove of trees that you can walk through & sit under? > > > > Does that count as a monument, or is it a memorial? > > > > > > As I read wiki.osm, both historic=memorial and historic=monument are > > presumed man-made structures, with the latter reserved for that which > > is truly "'monumental' in size". Neither would apply to an Arboretum > > (even though it's an unnatural landscape on monumental scale, it's not > > a structure). (FWIW, xref there includes man_made=obelisk and > > memorial=stele ) > > > > It sounds like the wiki expects us to find the plaque or stele etc > > inside the memorial arboretum and tag it as the historic=memorial, > > memorial=plaque, etc. and only tag an area thus if the monumental > > structure has outline worth outlining as closed area way. > > > > This memorial park http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/29743732 is not > > an arboretum, AFAIK, although some of the trees may have been planted > > trees, it's not about the trees. Unless I find a plaque or other > > marker, the wiki is not encouraging use of either memorial or > > monument, although memorial:conflict=WW1 could apply. > > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dmonument > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dmemorial > > > > More info on my Memorial Park area > > http://fd.ema.arrl.org/SiteDetail.php?site=MemPk > > > > > > Memorial avenues exist - roads with tress planted alongside to remember > the dead usually from wars. > See http://www.historicplaces.ca/en/rep-reg/place-lieu.aspx?id=13557 > No OSM taggging other than a road in OSM > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/280394066 > > Each tree usually commemorates one person, the tree signifies the > victory of life over death. > While there may a be a plaque - it is the tree that forms the memorial > for that person. > The collection of trees form a memorial to the war dead as a collective. > > I have not tagged them... > > Some more info? > http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/about/environment/protecting-heritage/remembrance- > driveway/history/index.html > > --------------- > > I think a memorial rather than a monument. But I am not pedantic about it. > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20171004/b062c7c1/att > achment.html> > > ------------------------------ >
I am following this discussion with interest. I have tagged several of these memorials, and have used the value war_memorial, because that is what is suggested in the Wiki. I have no problem retagging the features I've already tagged, if a consensus is reached on an alternative tagging scheme. With that being said, I have a question. Take a look at the memorial (not a war memorial) on the north side of the road in this photo [1]. (I hope it's okay to use a Google Street View photo, as I don't have a website to post it on, and I don't use any of the commercial photo-sharing sites.) How would you tag this memorial? I have used historic=memorial, followed by memorial=stele (following the recommended procedure in the Wiki), but this object doesn't strictly meet the definition of "stele," according to Wiktionary and Wikipedia. It resembles a gravestone, but obviously it is not one of those. I can't think of a suitable term to use to describe the type of memorial. Neither does it fit the definition of monument, as described in the Wiki. Mark [1] https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5987119,-85.8427832,3a,75y,27h,81.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sT2QKoSsT4MR9JkRHxcSd-A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
