Hello all, there's a totally different, interesting approach from Dieterdreist :
Assessment of tag Here's an example: drying_room=yes, motorcycle_parking=yes, motorcycle_repair_tools=yes, motorcycle_tour_tips=yes. I.E. these are 4 tags rather than one, and the drying room for instance isn't something particularly related to motorcycle tourists, it can by used by everyone with the need to dry his clothes. --10:55, 7 March 2017 (UTC)http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/motorcycle_friendly#Assessment_of_tag_-_is_it_too_subjective.3F As I mentioned above this discussion entry, I'd tend to the "KISS" solution, unless I see that especially the tag "drying_room" would make sense for several (mountainbike, hiking, ski/snowboard etc.) motorcycle_parking already exists : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dmotorcycle_parking So what's left is repair_tools and tour_tips Regarding the latter, I just don't see how this may be bound to either "motorcycle" or "skiing", as several Hotels have Skiing in Winter and Motorbike guests in Summer. Any Ideas how this may be solved ? I could imagine motorcycle:tools=yes motorcycle:parking=yes (then the existing key would need to be changed) drying_room=yes (new key necessary) Just don't got a good idea about the "information material" (how to be used with other items ?) I think shop=motorcycle should stay a "shop"? There's currently a problem to differ between a motorcycle dealer and a motorcycle clothes shop, for example Louis, Polo, Hein Gericke. According to the current definition you may use shop=motorcycle together with clothes=motorcycle (this is still in "draft" status) I could imagine to use motorcycle:clothes=yes instead ? Cheers, Thilo -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations Datum: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 12:56:15 +0100 Von: Thilo Haug <th...@gmx.de> An: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <tagging@openstreetmap.org> Hi all, thanks to Martin for the clarification. In the discussion of the (former voted) wiki entry : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:motorcycle_friendly I referred to the definition of the German automobile club : 8X----------- The German automobile club has the following criteria : * (Theft) safe and secure motorcycle parking areas. * Facilities for wet clothes. * Tools for minor repairs * Extensive information material (including tour suggestions, excursion tips, road maps, useful addresses for motorcyclists) https://www.adac.de/reise_freizeit/motorrad/motorradfreundliche-gastgeber/qualitaetssiegel/default.aspx 8X----------- Those four points should be given if an item is categorized as "yes". "No" means they don't accept motorcyclists (seldom, but exists). As there are certainly accommodations which just don't care about your means of transport, there is also a third option, which I called "customary", as this categorization is already in use (for nudism) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:nudism#Tagging So I think the criteria is quite clear and not "opinionated". In case the description could be improved, please let me know in the "discussion" : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/motorcycle_friendly#Proposal Cheers, Thilo Am 07.03.2017 um 11:20 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > > 2017-03-07 10:58 GMT+01:00 Thilo Haug <th...@gmx.de > <mailto:th...@gmx.de>>: > > "own data, as an overlay" doesn't make sense to me in this case, > as it's data the community should collect, not the transformation > of existing data collections > ("motorcycle friendly" web pages, as they are often randomly > listing hotels). > This is the motivation of this tag. > > > one of the basic fundamental rules in OSM is that data should be > objective and not opinionated. We do not want restaurant reviews (or > any other personal review) or a generalized way of saying "suitable > for cyclists" (you can of course map the factors that say why it is > suitable or not), and a "friendly:*" tag could be misleading in this > regard. I agree that there are facts that can indicate a friendlyness > or hostility towards a certain group of people (e.g. motorcyclists, > hikers, hunters, cyclists, ...), like the signs, so I am not > absolutely against a tag like this, but the definition should make it > clear that it is about objective, observable criteria. > > > > Didn't understand what you mean with "digest approach" ? > > > > You can subscribe to the mailing list getting all the messages as soon > as they are sent, or in a digest way (many messages together in one > email) after n messages (I think it's 10 or 15) have been sent to the > list. > > Cheers, > Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Thilo Haug Bismarckstr.37 72764 Reutlingen Mobil: +49 177 3185856
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