so the driveways are bad, but the powerlines are good? 

Aren’t the driveways in a substation part of the stubsation, just like like all 
the other detail that is recorded for the powerline system or fence for the 
substation?

I am against rendering.. umm.. “distribution” lines, but if mapping them is 
your thing, then go ahead. the power lines, especially the transmission lines, 
are totally, utterly private , off-limits, and lethal. And mapped. The driveway 
seems to be much less… dangerous or clutter inducing. 

Unless it is lawfully off-limits (AKA military installations in certain 
countries) or behind private doors, then anything is mappable. It may not be 
good to map it, but it is mappable.  Just like the trees or the tracks around 
the substation. 

Once we start doing indoor mapping, then the same thing will apply as well - 
the examples listed below are for private spaces inside a building, and those 
“backroom” or “private” spaces of homes and publicly accessible buildings will 
have to be unmapped in some way. The mapping notes below sound good. 

However even indoors, the paths connecting to fire escapes, hoses, and other 
safety items in public accessible buildings should be mapped, even if they go 
through a private loading dock or hallway, maybe. just another case where 
mapping a private path might be a good idea even in the future for indoor 
stuff. 

some kind of exception for safety or somewhat visible to the public - 
especially if it is part of the road network. 

Deleting a driveway seems a bit too much.

Javbw


> On Mar 17, 2015, at 8:46 AM, Bryce Nesbitt <bry...@obviously.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I almost, but not quite, pressed delete on these:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/272142910/history 
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/272142910/history>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/272142911/history 
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/272142911/history>
> They're private objects within a private gated electrical substation.
> 
> Similar to toilets inside people's homes, it feels like these should not be 
> mapped.
> Scattering access=private tags on the dumpsters and enclosing ways feels like
> a hack.
> 
> The dividing line set by the community remains murky.  How about:
> 
> 
> "Please do not map private objects in private space.  In general if
> the object could create a privacy concern, or is just not useful to 
> a member of the public, please don't add it to the database.  Note
> it is fully OK to map facilities within membership or fee based venues,
> as long as the facilities are reasonably available to members of the public."
> 
> Examples not to map: toilets in homes, employee only toilets in businesses, 
> private recycling bins, playgrounds in private homes or day care facilities.
> 
> Examples to map: toilets inside DisneyLand, buildings visible from air 
> photos, private facilities with a history of public "permissive" use.
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