I'm not suggesting the dismount sign is ignored on the map, I'm saying,
if cycling is not allowed (i.e. cyclist should dismount and no longer
cycle) then it should either not be marked as a cycleway or the access
tag should be used to restrict cycles on the way.
http://bigfatfrog67.me
On 10/10/2013 22:36, Frank Little wrote:
Here's an example from the Netherlands:
http://www.eemsbode.nl/nieuws/18774/oplossing-gemeente-delfzijl-fietsers-afstappen-bij-tunnel/
It's a cycleway (mopeds also allowed). No change in highway type here.
It's cycleway all the way down.
There were accidents. The local authority decided that the best way to
reduce the risk of accidents was ...
... to sign it with a "cyclists dismount' sign.
We can all decide that it's nonsense, and they shouldn't have done
that, but that doesn't change the sign.
And we map what's there, not what we'd like to be there. There are
plenty of signs I disagree with.
(Or even ignore.) But that doesn't mean we should leave them out of OSM.
Is it "legal": Well, the council placed it (though I couldn't find a
basis for it in the local ordinance).
Could a strategically-placed policeman fine you if you ignored the
sign? (Like most people will do).
Probably he could (there's always the catch-all in the road
regulations), though in practice he might not.
If you cause an accident, your insurance company might want to take it
into account.
I am not in favour of tagging "dismount" for any other reason than a
sign (or, possibly, a general traffic regulation).
----- Original Message ----- From: "fly" <lowfligh...@googlemail.com>
To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
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Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways
On 10.10.2013 20:10, SomeoneElse wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
I don't see any point in the bicycle=dismount tag, when there is a
change in speed limit we don't tag car=slowdown! The only way to tag
the effect that the sign has is to change the access tag to exclude
bicycles. As I see it it's that simple.
Here's an example:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/26194733
looks like a cycleway and quacks like a cycleway - it's clearly a
cycleway. It also has a "cyclists dismount" sign on it.
Either the sign is official and the path should be tagged:
highway=path
foot=yes/designated
vehicle=no
note=bicycle dismount sign
or it is unofficial and
highway=path
foot=yes/designated
bicycle=designated
vehicle=no
note=bicycle dismount sign
no need for bicycle=dismount
cu
fly
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