2011/3/30 Nathan Edgars II <nerou...@gmail.com>: > On 3/30/2011 9:20 AM, Pieren wrote: >> Perhaps on this particular proposal, we have some cultural >> misunderstanding . In many countries, you have illegal buildings, >> illegal garbage dumps, illegal access restrictions, etc. Even when they >> are convicted by court, the situation is not corrected (lack of >> authorities/means/police, corruption, etc) and only local people knows >> that such building, dump or access restriction is illegal.
+1 >> Also environmental organizations are fighting against illegal dumps. So >> why would you not allow OSM to locate them ? Is it not one motto of OSM >> to rely on local knowledge ? And if we have disputes, then we already >> have a process for that, like any other tags. > You also have legal buildings, legal garbage dumps, legal access > restrictions, etc., that are just as bad as the illegal ones. Environmental > organizations are fighting against legal dumps as well as illegal ones. And? We are already tagging official garbage dumps, why shouldn't we tag unofficial/illegal/informal ones? I feel that in this topic there is big cultural differences. While some people say: go to the police / court, others see the necessity/wish to tag them in OSM. Why should we hinder them? Some of these issues I couldn't believe them myself, but living now in a country, where even in the third biggest city the garbage is frequently illegally deposited in the settlements/suburbs (e.g. see here http://www.newnotizie.it/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Rifiuti-napoli.jpg or search pictures for "rifiuti napoli") I am beginning to understand the desire to tag this stuff. Maybe it is the wording "illegal" which creates opposition? What if we called it informal? I already use informal=yes for paths, but it could just as well be extended to garbage dumps and a lot of other stuff. The common word in Italy is "abusive" (would this work in English?), and it is used for everything from people (immigrants without formal documents / rights to stay) to houses (built in nature reserves or other zones not declared for constructing and/or without building permission and/or with clandestine employment and/or more then allowed) to garbage dumps, fences and so on. cheers, Martin _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
