On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 04:57:10 -0700 (PDT), Richard Fairhurst wrote: > David Paleino wrote: > > Come on, it's like any other relation. If potlatch can't support *ANY* > > kind of relation editing, it's not my fault. It's a bug. I don't use > > Potlatch, so I can't tell how advanced his support for relations is. > > Not good enough. > > It is incumbent on you, as someone proposing to tell others how to map, that > you make sure they _can_ easily map in this way. [..]
Relations have existed long before I started thinking at tihs proposal. > [..] > > But, nonetheless, actions have consequences. Pulling schemes out of thin air > and pretending they have no connection with the real-world editors, > renderers, routers and indexers that people use is one of the reasons why > the wiki tag process is so utterly discredited. The scheme hasn't been pulled out of thin air. It's using well-established things, just put together to make some sense of them. The only "new thing" is footway=sidewalk. If this new tag is so revolutionary, please forgive me, and please forget all I've said. > We _all_ have a responsibility to make OSM editing accessible to newcomers. > Some of us are already working flat-out to do so. If you want to "extend" > the data model, therefore adding more for newcomers to learn, _you_ need to > do your bit to make sure that this won't make OSM more complicated. Why, oh why, this seems so out-of-context to me? I think I already gave a solution: if you want to do it simple, use sidewalk=*. If you want to add more details, follow my proposal. It's the same thing has streets. Newcomers don't know the difference between primary, motorway, tertiary, unclassified, [..]. They could start mapping using "road". But no, we want them to add details. "highway=road" is accepted, but kind-of-discouraged. Am I wrong? > That might mean talking to the developers of the biggest editors and > renderers, that might mean writing some comprehensible beginner-friendly > docs, or whatever. But you can't just expect those of us who are already > donating vast amounts of time to necessarily indulge you in your tagging > whims. Given all the negative replies I've had, I'm running out of energy now, to pursue this proposal. I'm donating vast amounts of time to OSM as well. I develop things, and I can't let you, or everybody else here, think I'm just a newcomer trying to push his pet thing. I explained the proposal as simple as I could, and I've always had the same non-sensical (to me) replies. Maybe we live in different OSM-worlds, I can't tell. There must be a communication problem somewhere. Sadly, David -- . ''`. Debian developer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 ----|---- http://deb.li/dapal `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174
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