So are you saying that nobody at CrossWire cares a diddly squat that strangers
can connect straight to the archives without having to login via a secure
connection?
Best regards,
David
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On Friday, May 2nd, 2025 at 7:51 PM, Greg Hellings <greg.helli...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> There is nothing insecure about it. We allow both HTTP and HTTPS connections.
>
> If you use the incorrect hostname over HTTPS you get an invalid cert, because
> the hostname you told the browser to use does not match the cert. The
> solution is to use the correct hostname.
>
> If you use HTTP some browsers give a warning that they don't like HTTP. The
> solution is to either ignore it because that's silly, or use HTTPS
> (correctly).
>
> The server and browser both respond appropriately to what is, at the base
> case, a user error.
>
> --Greg
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2025, 1:44 PM David Haslam <dfh...@protonmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It remains the case that the list [archive /
>> server](http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel) has an insecure
>> connection that uses only HTTP.
>>
>> We should upgrade it ASAP to use HTTPS to avoid all the Browser Warnings!
>>
>> It's 2025 now. Nobody nowadays should still be using HTTP.
>>
>> With all the kerfuffle/hilarity about my use of Leo, we seem to have lost
>> sight of the main point!
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> David
>>
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>> On Friday, May 2nd, 2025 at 6:27 PM, DM Smith <dmsm...@crosswire.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Fair enough of a disclaimer.
>>>
>>>> On May 2, 2025, at 10:39 AM, Nathan Phillip Brink
>>>> <ohnobi...@ohnopublishing.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think Leo clearly enough said that he doesn't know the actual URI but
>>>> that if this organization followed a common pattern, they might have
>>>> chosen that URI. I don't think that's a hallucination, but I don't know
>>>> the jargon.
>>>>
>>>> On 2025-05-02 9:18:05 GMT-05:00, DM Smith <dmsm...@crosswire.org>:
>>>>
>>>>> Leo is hallucinating. This is a well known problem of GPT agents.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 2, 2025, at 8:13 AM, David Haslam <dfh...@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Troy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a curious question!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Me: What is pipermail?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leo: Based on the search results, **pipermail** appears to be a term
>>>>>> related to electronic mailing lists, specifically the archives of
>>>>>> mailing lists managed by the GNU Mailman software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> According to Wikipedia, GNU Mailman is a computer software application
>>>>>> for managing electronic mailing lists, and pipermail is likely a part of
>>>>>> this system. It seems that pipermail is used to access and browse the
>>>>>> archives of mailing lists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you're looking for more information on pipermail, I can try to help
>>>>>> you further.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Me: What is the URL for the archive of the CrossWire Bible Society's
>>>>>> mailing list called sword-devel ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leo: The URL for the archive of the CrossWire Bible Society's mailing
>>>>>> list called sword-devel is not explicitly mentioned in the search
>>>>>> results you provided. However, based on the context, it appears to be
>>>>>> related to email list archives or mailing list management systems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From the search results, it seems that the `pipermail` term is related
>>>>>> to email list archives, specifically the archives of mailing lists
>>>>>> managed by the GNU Mailman software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given this information, it is possible that the URL for the archive of
>>>>>> the CrossWire Bible Society's mailing list called sword-devel is in the
>>>>>> format of
>>>>>> `[https://lists.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/`](https://lists.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/)
>>>>>> or something similar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aside: Leo is the AI agent in the Brave browser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, now you know how I found it, is there something amiss with the
>>>>>> aforementioned hostname?
>>>>>> I don't recall seeing it before, but, hey!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, May 2nd, 2025 at 1:03 PM, Troy A. Griffitts
>>>>>> <scr...@crosswire.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't use 'lists' dot[crosswire.org](http://crosswire.org/). Where did
>>>>>>> you find that hostname? We have a catchall, so you can
>>>>>>> say[https://bettyboop.crosswire.org](https://bettyboop.crosswire.org/)<https://bettyboop.crosswire.org/>
>>>>>>> if you want, but the certificate won't be value for that domain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/2/25 6:46 AM, David Haslam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you visit (eg)https://lists.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The first thing you notice is a Browser Warning that the URL is
>>>>>>>> insecure.
>>>>>>>> The https connection falls back to insecure http
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please would someone with access to our server make the necessary
>>>>>>>> changes for our list archives.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>
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