From the sidelines, Why not propose a new AV11N that would support the WEB ?
Isn’t that all that’s needed?
David
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On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 01:06, Michael Johnson <[mich...@ebible.org](mailto:On
Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 01:06, Michael Johnson <<a href=)> wrote:
> OK, Troy. I hear you saying that it is not "broken", but working perfectly as
> designed. That is actually worse, because if it were broken, there might be
> some motivation to fix it. As it is, I have no hope that the World English
> Bible Ecumenical Editions will ever be properly displayed in any Sword
> software, at least as far as having both versions of Daniel goes. That isn't
> important to you. I get that. It is more important to me to preserve the
> versifications of the original works than it is to support Sword, especially
> if DAN and DAG are not allowed to coexist in the same Bible. Time for a fork?
>
> On 4/24/23 08:47, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>
>> 😊
>>
>> I would obvious encourage the use of "well balanced" over "broken".
>>
>> The use cases we need to solve are varied, but the typical cases have to be
>> priorities.
>>
>> 1) Users lookup verses by reference, e.g., for Dan 3:7. What should they
>> get? Majority of users don't ask for the Greek or Hebrew version of Daniel
>> or even know about the difference.
>>
>> 2) Users want to compare a verse across translations. This is the primary
>> motivator for defined versification schemes and maps between them. e.g. when
>> a user is reading Ps 10:1, and ask to see it in an LXX translation, we need
>> to show them Ps.9.21.
>>
>> I understand the desire to let publishers flow their texts however they
>> want, and we should do better for the publishers, but that is by far not the
>> majority use case for users.
>>
>> On April 24, 2023 9:51:56 AM MST, Michael Johnson
>> [<mich...@ebible.org>](mailto:mich...@ebible.org) wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Br. Cyrille,
>>>
>>> Actually, that work-around might work for Catholic versification, but not
>>> for the ecumenical versification of the WEB. That is because the World
>>> English Bible contains both Daniel translated from the Hebrew traditional
>>> text (DAN) and Daniel translated from the Greek Septuagint (DAG). The USFM
>>> markup is correct. The ability of the Sword Engine to interpret it is
>>> broken.
>>>
>>> On 4/24/23 01:43, Fr Cyrille wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>> THe problem is the same with xiphos.
>>>> If you want your file readable with the Catholic versification, you need
>>>> to use the DAN \id in your usfm file, and not \id DAG.
>>>> It's not a front-end issue but an usfm issue.
>>>> @Jon, you probably know, with Andbible in the list of the bible books, the
>>>> DC and accessible with the +.
>>>>
>>>> Le 23/04/2023 à 09:29, Michael Johnson a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> Hello, Jonathan.
>>>>>
>>>>> WEB and WEBC indeed contain Daniel (Greek). However, I don't know how to
>>>>> select a Sword Engine versification that can cause the front ends
>>>>> (AndBible, Bishop, Xiphos, etc.) to properly display Daniel (Greek). They
>>>>> can display some fragments of Daniel (Greek), like Susanna and Bel and
>>>>> the Dragon, but the World English Bible isn't split up that way, and
>>>>> won't be. Daniel (Greek) makes more sense when presented as a whole. I'm
>>>>> not sure if this is possible to do within the Sword ecosystem.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the mean time, eBible.org epub files work well with Google Books and
>>>>> Apple Books, among other epub readers, no matter what their
>>>>> versification. You can get to any chapter in about 3 taps. The Sword
>>>>> Engine tries to force-fit every Bible translation into a small set of
>>>>> predefined, hard-coded versification schemes, none of which exactly match
>>>>> the World English Bible. In fact, they don't exactly match a very high
>>>>> percentage of Bible translations.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/22/23 19:36, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Name-> Jonathan Faust
>>>>>> Email-> jonfa...@tutanota.com
>>>>>> Subject-> AndBible WEBC Daniel
>>>>>> Form URL-> https://eBible.org/cgi-bin/contact.cgi
>>>>>> Remote IP-> 172.69.204.168
>>>>>> Hi there!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apologies if I'm mistaken, but I'm not seeing Daniel (Greek) in my bible
>>>>>> app. It looks like both the WEB and WEBC contain Esther (Greek) but lack
>>>>>> Daniel (Greek). This would imply WEBC contains no translation of Daniel.
>>>>>> I see it on browser bible and in the EPUB. Is this an issue with
>>>>>> AndBible, the source WEB files, or something else?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> Aloha,
>>>>> Michael Johnson
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