Re: [sword-devel] AndBible WEBC Daniel

[Troy A. Griffitts]

Noooo. What I actually said was:

"I understand the desire to let publishers flow their texts however they want, 
and we should do better for the publishers"


On April 24, 2023 5:06:59 PM MST, Michael Johnson <mich...@ebible.org> wrote:
>OK, Troy. I hear you saying that it is not "broken", but working perfectly as 
>designed. That is actually worse, because if it were broken, there might be 
>some motivation to fix it. As it is, I have no hope that the World English 
>Bible Ecumenical Editions will ever be properly displayed in any Sword 
>software, at least as far as having both versions of Daniel goes. That isn't 
>important to you. I get that. It is more important to me to preserve the 
>versifications of the original works than it is to support Sword, especially 
>if DAN and DAG are not allowed to coexist in the same Bible. Time for a fork?
>
>On 4/24/23 08:47, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>> 😊
>> 
>> I would obvious encourage the use of "well balanced" over "broken".
>> 
>> The use cases we need to solve are varied, but the typical cases have to be 
>> priorities.
>> 
>> 1) Users lookup verses by reference, e.g., for Dan 3:7. What should they 
>> get? Majority of users don't ask for the Greek or Hebrew version of Daniel 
>> or even know about the difference.
>> 
>> 2) Users want to compare a verse across translations. This is the primary 
>> motivator for defined versification schemes and maps between them. e.g. when 
>> a user is reading Ps 10:1, and ask to see it in an LXX translation, we need 
>> to show them Ps.9.21.
>> 
>> I understand the desire to let publishers flow their texts however they 
>> want, and we should do better for the publishers, but that is by far not the 
>> majority use case for users.
>> 
>> 
>> On April 24, 2023 9:51:56 AM MST, Michael Johnson <mich...@ebible.org> wrote:
>> 
>>     Hi Br. Cyrille,
>> 
>>     Actually, that work-around might work for Catholic versification, but 
>> not for the ecumenical versification of the WEB. That is because the World 
>> English Bible contains both Daniel translated from the Hebrew traditional 
>> text (DAN) and Daniel translated from the Greek Septuagint (DAG). The USFM 
>> markup is correct. The ability of the Sword Engine to interpret it is broken.
>> 
>>     On 4/24/23 01:43, Fr Cyrille wrote:
>>>     Hi Michael,
>>>     THe problem is the same with xiphos.
>>>     If you want your file readable with the Catholic versification, you 
>>> need to use the DAN \id in your usfm file, and not \id DAG.
>>>     It's not a front-end issue but an usfm issue.
>>>     @Jon, you probably know, with Andbible in the list of the bible books, 
>>> the DC and accessible with the +.
>>> 
>>>     Le 23/04/2023 à 09:29, Michael Johnson a écrit :
>>>> 
>>>>     Hello, Jonathan.
>>>> 
>>>>     WEB and WEBC indeed contain Daniel (Greek). However, I don't know how 
>>>> to select a Sword Engine versification that can cause the front ends 
>>>> (AndBible, Bishop, Xiphos, etc.) to properly display Daniel (Greek). They 
>>>> can display some fragments of Daniel (Greek), like Susanna and Bel and the 
>>>> Dragon, but the World English Bible isn't split up that way, and won't be. 
>>>> Daniel (Greek) makes more sense when presented as a whole. I'm not sure if 
>>>> this is possible to do within the Sword ecosystem.
>>>> 
>>>>     In the mean time, eBible.org epub files work well with Google Books 
>>>> and Apple Books, among other epub readers, no matter what their 
>>>> versification. You can get to any chapter in about 3 taps. The Sword 
>>>> Engine tries to force-fit every Bible translation into a small set of 
>>>> predefined, hard-coded versification schemes, none of which exactly match 
>>>> the World English Bible. In fact, they don't exactly match a very high 
>>>> percentage of Bible translations.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>     On 4/22/23 19:36, you wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>      Name-> Jonathan Faust
>>>>>      Email-> jonfa...@tutanota.com
>>>>>      Subject-> AndBible WEBC Daniel
>>>>>      Form URL-> https://eBible.org/cgi-bin/contact.cgi
>>>>>      Remote IP-> 172.69.204.168
>>>>>     Hi there!
>>>>> 
>>>>>     Apologies if I'm mistaken, but I'm not seeing Daniel (Greek) in my 
>>>>> bible app. It looks like both the WEB and WEBC contain Esther (Greek) but 
>>>>> lack Daniel (Greek). This would imply WEBC contains no translation of 
>>>>> Daniel. I see it on browser bible and in the EPUB. Is this an issue with 
>>>>> AndBible, the source WEB files, or something else?
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