I'm pretty sure that the .exe in question uses several DLL's that can be redistributed, I'm almost positive the Oracle's client installation uses Borland's JRE DLL implementation. I would say I am positive actually.
On Wednesday 12 March 2003 08:15 am, Chris wrote: > Costas I. Stergiou wrote: > >Have you tried to run this exe on a machine without a JRE? > > No, so maybe it is using the JRE behind the scenes. > > >On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Chris wrote: > >>Well I had a little Java swing program, about 5kb .jar file. And when I > >>asked it to, JBuilder7 converted it into a .exe of about 70kb, that > >>didn't appear to require the JRE. How it works I don't know, but it > >>seems to work. There's also the option of Linux and Sun/Sparc native > >>executeables. > >> > >>Costas I. Stergiou wrote: > >>>Hi Chris, > >>>I don't think JBuilder can produce executables (native). Actually, > >>>no java app can be converted to an executable unless the executable > >>>contains the whole JRE within. I am also using JBuilder from version 2 > >>>and I would agree that it's interface is quite good but still lacks > >>>the native L&F. On the other hand, JBuilder is really faster than > >>>other Java apps, an to be honest I have always wondered what Borland > >>>has hacked into to make this happen, but I am sure that the code > >>>that is produces is pure java classes with the usual behaviour. > >>> > >>>What I said is just an opinion though and a personal choice from > >>>my experience until now. Remember, I am primary a Java programmer (I > >>>have JBuidler in me screen as I write this e-mail, I am at work now) > >>>but I still believe that java is (unfortunately) not the way to go for a > >>>windows GUI. > >>> > >>>I am really new to this list/project so my opinion should not be > >>>considered highly. I am happy though to participate in this > >>> conversation. Thanks, > >>>Costas > >>> > >>>On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Chris wrote: > >>>>I personally would sacrifice windows L&F for the cross-platform > >>>> ability. Plus, JBuilder can produce native executables. I havn't tried > >>>>benchmarking them, > >>>>but I presume the JBuilder environment itself uses it, and it is very > >>>>snappy. > >>>> > >>>>Costas I. Stergiou wrote: > >>>>>Actually, my full time job is java dev and it is really my > >>>>>favorite language for many reasons. > >>>>>Well, the reason I would > >>>>>not suggest java is because it is slow in the GUI, and does not > >>>>> provide a real windows look and feel. All the Java GUI programs I > >>>>> have used are indeed a bit slow and out of the windows feel. Also the > >>>>> JVM is not standard within windows. It would have been much easier > >>>>> for me to do my own work in Java (and I would have done in half the > >>>>> time propably) but I think that every language is good at some stuff > >>>>> and windows GUI is not what Java is for. I think that if you compare > >>>>> a native win GUI with any Java GUI (look, responsiveness, etc) you > >>>>> will agree that the diferrences are quite noteable. > >>>>> > >>>>>Costas > >>>>> > >>>>>On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Chris wrote: > >>>>>>Costas I. Stergiou wrote: > >>>>>>>Some months ago I started on a software for personal use that would > >>>>>>>help in bible study. Since my best knowledge is in Java (5 years > >>>>>>> now) I started the implementation with it. Very soon I realized the > >>>>>>> (obvious) fact that Java is NOT for the Desktop. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Why? My full time job is writing Java desktop (gui) software. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>I thought of VB (where I also have > >>>>>>>experience) but I quickly dropped the idea since the code it > >>>>>>>produces is really slow. I ended up with Delphi (since it is really > >>>>>>>easier than C++) and now i have made a first version of a windows > >>>>>>>software for bible study. One of the reasons I didn't go with some > >>>>>>>of the already existing software is because none of these are quite > >>>>>>>good at searching/handling greek text (I am Greek) and none of these > >>>>>>>had a modern Greek translation which is the one most commonly used > >>>>>>>here in Greece. Also personal notes was really important and no sw > >>>>>>>gave real significance to that issue. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I am married with one child, and my responsibilities leave my with > >>>>>>>few time to work on this project. I would be really happy though if > >>>>>>>I could help anyhow with this idea. I have recently put up a site > >>>>>>>with the software which (unfortunately?) is in greek, though I have > >>>>>>>made an english version of the software. If anyone would like to > >>>>>>>check it out here is the link for the english version of the > >>>>>>>software: http://www.theword.gr/bin/theword-en-0.99-full.exe > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I would be really happy if I could help out here in any way, either > >>>>>>> by giving the code, some ideas on the platform or anything else I > >>>>>>> could help with. I could also give some ideas about the Java > >>>>>>> platform since it is my everyday work for years now. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Thanks, > >>>>>>>Costas > >>>>>>>(once more, excuse me for my bad english) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Chris wrote: > >>>>>>>>Jason Turner wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Personally I'd rather see a Java version than .NET. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>So, to get to my point, I was considering writing a new UI in > >>>>>>>>> .NET. However, .NET cannot utilize native C++ libraries. It can > >>>>>>>>> use Managed C++, C#, ActiveX DLL's and native C libraries. Since > >>>>>>>>> I cannot use the Sword API as it stands, I was considering > >>>>>>>>> reimplementing a subset of it in .NET, and then building the UI > >>>>>>>>> on top of that. Of course releasing the whole thing under the > >>>>>>>>> GPL. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>So, I'm looking for comments. Does anyone have any other > >>>>>>>>> suggestions? Is there anything that I have missed? Should I take > >>>>>>>>> a closer look at Diatheke or ActiveDiatheke? Is someone else > >>>>>>>>> already working on a new Windows client? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Thanks. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Jason Turner > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>On Monday 10 March 2003 09:27 pm, David Trotz wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>No the windows version does not allow this. Certain versions of > >>>>>>>>>> the bible will automatically break the paragraph into seperate > >>>>>>>>>> lines per verse, but other than that the answer is no. Sorry. It > >>>>>>>>>> may be added someday. David ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>>>From: Christopher Frazier > >>>>>>>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:52 PM > >>>>>>>>>>Subject: [sword-devel] UI for Windows Question... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>I've been looking everywhere for this, and since I haven't found > >>>>>>>>>> the archive to the lists, I guess I have to ask it here: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>How do you view the Bible text one verse per line in Sword for > >>>>>>>>>>Windows?!? BibleTime does this in an obvious way, but I cannot > >>>>>>>>>> figure this out at all in Windows. Does the program do this at > >>>>>>>>>> all? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>TIA! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Chris > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>sword-devel mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>sword-devel mailing list > >>>>>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>sword-devel mailing list > >>>>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>sword-devel mailing list > >>>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>>>>> > >>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>sword-devel mailing list > >>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>sword-devel mailing list > >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>sword-devel mailing list > >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>sword-devel mailing list > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>sword-devel mailing list > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > >_______________________________________________ > >sword-devel mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel _______________________________________________ sword-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
