Hi Chris, I don't think JBuilder can produce executables (native). Actually, no java app can be converted to an executable unless the executable contains the whole JRE within. I am also using JBuilder from version 2 and I would agree that it's interface is quite good but still lacks the native L&F. On the other hand, JBuilder is really faster than other Java apps, an to be honest I have always wondered what Borland has hacked into to make this happen, but I am sure that the code that is produces is pure java classes with the usual behaviour.
What I said is just an opinion though and a personal choice from my experience until now. Remember, I am primary a Java programmer (I have JBuidler in me screen as I write this e-mail, I am at work now) but I still believe that java is (unfortunately) not the way to go for a windows GUI. I am really new to this list/project so my opinion should not be considered highly. I am happy though to participate in this conversation. Thanks, Costas On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Chris wrote: > > I personally would sacrifice windows L&F for the cross-platform ability. > Plus, JBuilder can produce native executables. I havn't tried > benchmarking them, > but I presume the JBuilder environment itself uses it, and it is very > snappy. > > Costas I. Stergiou wrote: > > >Actually, my full time job is java dev and it is really my > >favorite language for many reasons. > >Well, the reason I would > >not suggest java is because it is slow in the GUI, and does not provide > >a real windows look and feel. All the Java GUI programs I have used are > >indeed a bit slow and out of the windows feel. Also the JVM is not > >standard within windows. It would have been much easier for me to > >do my own work in Java (and I would have done in half the time propably) > >but I think that every language is good at some stuff and windows GUI > >is not what Java is for. I think that if you compare a native win GUI > >with any Java GUI (look, responsiveness, etc) you will agree that the > >diferrences are quite noteable. > > > >Costas > > > >On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Chris wrote: > > > > > > > >>Costas I. Stergiou wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Some months ago I started on a software for personal use that would > >>>help in bible study. Since my best knowledge is in Java (5 years now) > >>>I started the implementation with it. Very soon I realized the (obvious) > >>>fact that Java is NOT for the Desktop. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Why? My full time job is writing Java desktop (gui) software. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>I thought of VB (where I also have > >>>experience) but I quickly dropped the idea since the code it > >>>produces is really slow. I ended up with Delphi (since it is really > >>>easier than C++) and now i have made a first version of a windows > >>>software for bible study. One of the reasons I didn't go with some > >>>of the already existing software is because none of these are quite > >>>good at searching/handling greek text (I am Greek) and none of these > >>>had a modern Greek translation which is the one most commonly used > >>>here in Greece. Also personal notes was really important and no sw > >>>gave real significance to that issue. > >>> > >>>I am married with one child, and my responsibilities leave my with > >>>few time to work on this project. I would be really happy though if > >>>I could help anyhow with this idea. I have recently put up a site > >>>with the software which (unfortunately?) is in greek, though I have > >>>made an english version of the software. If anyone would like to > >>>check it out here is the link for the english version of the > >>>software: http://www.theword.gr/bin/theword-en-0.99-full.exe > >>> > >>>I would be really happy if I could help out here in any way, either by > >>>giving the code, some ideas on the platform or anything else I > >>>could help with. I could also give some ideas about the Java platform > >>>since it is my everyday work for years now. > >>> > >>>Thanks, > >>>Costas > >>>(once more, excuse me for my bad english) > >>> > >>> > >>>On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Chris wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Jason Turner wrote: > >>>> > >>>>Personally I'd rather see a Java version than .NET. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>So, to get to my point, I was considering writing a new UI in .NET. However, > >>>>>.NET cannot utilize native C++ libraries. It can use Managed C++, C#, ActiveX > >>>>>DLL's and native C libraries. Since I cannot use the Sword API as it stands, > >>>>>I was considering reimplementing a subset of it in .NET, and then building > >>>>>the UI on top of that. Of course releasing the whole thing under the GPL. > >>>>> > >>>>>So, I'm looking for comments. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Is there > >>>>>anything that I have missed? Should I take a closer look at Diatheke or > >>>>>ActiveDiatheke? Is someone else already working on a new Windows client? > >>>>> > >>>>>Thanks. > >>>>> > >>>>>Jason Turner > >>>>> > >>>>>On Monday 10 March 2003 09:27 pm, David Trotz wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>No the windows version does not allow this. Certain versions of the bible > >>>>>>will automatically break the paragraph into seperate lines per verse, but > >>>>>>other than that the answer is no. Sorry. It may be added someday. David > >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>From: Christopher Frazier > >>>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:52 PM > >>>>>>Subject: [sword-devel] UI for Windows Question... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I've been looking everywhere for this, and since I haven't found the > >>>>>>archive to the lists, I guess I have to ask it here: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>How do you view the Bible text one verse per line in Sword for > >>>>>>Windows?!? BibleTime does this in an obvious way, but I cannot figure > >>>>>>this out at all in Windows. Does the program do this at all? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>TIA! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Chris > >>>>>> > >>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>sword-devel mailing list > >>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>sword-devel mailing list > >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>sword-devel mailing list > >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>sword-devel mailing list > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>sword-devel mailing list > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >sword-devel mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > _______________________________________________ sword-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
