Exactly, agreed.

So there finally < are > some issues if you are (just) inserting a 1st order signal into a 2nd order one...

Upmixing actually seems to avoid these problems, so maybe this should be a routine step IF you do order conversion? (The advantages are not only that sources are becoming sharper. COMPASS seems also to perform decorrelation of ambient parts, and that there could be some energy loss if performing “zero-stuffing” of HOA elements seems to be very probable.)

“so you are actually better off letting spatial
aliasing kick in and just use a first order decoder, albeit with the
wrong information in those higher orders.”

I don’t quite understand this, because you don’t feed higher order elemts into an FOA decoder...

Maybe you refer to aliasing effects of FOA rendering on speaker systems with (too) many speakers?

Best,

Stefan




Hi Stefan,
Perhaps some confusion with my email, where with a chunk of it (and all the text you reffered too) I was quoting Hannes message, but this didn’t format correctly. So as per the rest of my message I am in full agreement with you that with (mode matching) decoders, you will get a different solution using either first order material with first order decoder, or first order material with zeros and with second order decoder. The difference is that you are forcing the reproduced soundfield to have zero energy in those higher order contributions. As per Solvang and Bernschutz's work this can create a loss of energy and percievable issues, so you are actually better off letting spatial aliasing kick in and just use a first order decoder, albeit with the wrong information in those higher orders. You have the same issue with loudspeaker rendering, virtual loudspeaker rendering and direct SH domain rendering as the underlying mathematics is the same.
Thanks
Jacob

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