Oh I forgot - if you dont want to buy max PD is another option
which is free

On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 at 22:17, Ralph Glasgal <glas...@ambiophonics.org>
wrote:

> You can implement the RACE equations using Max.  It was easily configured
> by
> Robert LiKamWa, Arizona State University, rob...@roblkw.com
>
> You can do what you want with four speakers.  You can have a full circle of
> direct sound in the horizontal plane using Max.  You just need one front
> 2.0
> pair that has good values of frontal LD and TD uncontaminated by rear
> direct
> sound (or ceiling stuff) and one rear 2.0 pair that also has good values of
> LD and TD and is uncontaminated by frontal direct sound or ceiling stuff.
> There are several such 4.0 DTS encoded sample tracks at
> www.ambiophonics.org.  You can also derive such 4.0 tracks from B format
> recordings but get rid of the Z component.  You can use an Ambiophone for
> free to make recordings if you like.  RACE is also free to use.
>
> All this stuff is mostly free or very low cost compared to Max.  You can
> use
> JRiver and other low cost DAWs.  Doing with four speakers what you are
> trying to do with eight is also a saving.
>
> Ralph Glasgal
> BEP, MSEE, AES, IEEE
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Phi Shu
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 11:10 AM
> To: Surround Sound discussion group
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems
>
> > You should consider Ambiophonics.
>
>
> well, not sure it would integrate with my workflow, primarily using Nuendo
> and Max right now.
>
> With four speakers and 4.0 media such as
> > Dolby Atmos or Auro3D or B format, you can have a full circle of direct
> > sound in the horizontal plane.
> >
>
> Have zero interest in Dolby stuff (and currently using B-Format, 8
> speakers, double diamond), I'm talking about rigs like dude above
> discusses, he mentions BEAST, there's ZKM, SARC, Notam, bunch of other
> institutional spaces, as well as the 4D and Envelop dudes, these are all
> propriety arrays, so what I'm talking about is some dude, working at home,
> with 8 speakers, thinking about how a work might translate to one of those
> rigs, what's the best strategy? in terms of getting some sense of height?
>
>
> > You can have several listeners and you don't
> > need head tracking.
>
>
> Head tracking is not really I concern at this point.
>
>
> > Height however does require more speakers but height
> > hall ambience is easy to obtain.
>
>
> OK, but again, the question, with an 8 speaker limitation, is a cube using
> B-Format the best approach to get height, with phantom images operating as
> "virtual" speakers? Or is using HOA mixing to headphones better? Or, just
> stick one speaker overhead and use VBAP instead? Surely someone on here has
> a clue about the best approach to this?
>
>
> > Take a look at the miniDSP, Amtra,
> > Soundpimp, NeutronMP, AmbiophonicsDSP, etc.  Links, AES papers and
> > tutorials
> > at www.ambiophonics.org
>
>
> I will look, thanks, but i ain't spending money on stuff.
>
> There are also sample demo 4.0 tracks available
> > made with an Ambiophone, a 4.0 mic array originally conceived by seeing
> > what
> > happens when you combine two Soundfield mics and a shaped structure
> between
> > them.  See the papers by Robin Miller under the tab Recording Engineers
> > Corner.  See also the hall IRs furnished by Angelo Farina if you want
> > ambient height for music.
> >
>
> Thanks for the additional info will check it out.
>
> Cheers!! : )
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of
> > Augustine
> > Leudar
> > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 4:05 AM
> > To: Surround Sound discussion group
> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based
> Systems
> >
> > I havent done a study on it but ive done hundreds of compositions and
> > installations and the differences are pretty obvious. Ambisonics is
> pretty
> > good at filling a hole in the panning but vbap can be better under some
> > circumstances. Ambisonics is pretty much useles if you want to say, makes
> > sounds fly round a labarinth of corridors covering a festival area in
> which
> > case dbap is better suited. Wfs handles focussed sources better. 5-,1
> > strictty speaking is a speaker array so you could have ambisonics over a
> > 5.1 speaker setup. Ive toyed with the idea of  doing a study comparing
> how
> > well tecniques can get sounds to sppear close to a lustener  between wfs
> ,
> > ambisonics and dbap but its pointless reslly as its obvious to anyone who
> > uses these things what the results would be.All different tools for
> > different jobs.
> >
> > On Friday, 19 April 2019, Michael Bevers <mbev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I'm curious if anyone knows of, or has conducted, any studies comparing
> > an
> > > Ambisonic system to a channel-based system? For example, a comparison
> of
> > an
> > > Auro 3-D system with an Ambisonic system. Or even just a 5.1 surround
> > > system with an Ambisonic system.
> > >
> > > I haven't found any studies myself directly comparing the two, even
> > through
> > > AES.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any help,
> > > Michael
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