Oh I forgot - if you dont want to buy max PD is another option which is free
On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 at 22:17, Ralph Glasgal <glas...@ambiophonics.org> wrote: > You can implement the RACE equations using Max. It was easily configured > by > Robert LiKamWa, Arizona State University, rob...@roblkw.com > > You can do what you want with four speakers. You can have a full circle of > direct sound in the horizontal plane using Max. You just need one front > 2.0 > pair that has good values of frontal LD and TD uncontaminated by rear > direct > sound (or ceiling stuff) and one rear 2.0 pair that also has good values of > LD and TD and is uncontaminated by frontal direct sound or ceiling stuff. > There are several such 4.0 DTS encoded sample tracks at > www.ambiophonics.org. You can also derive such 4.0 tracks from B format > recordings but get rid of the Z component. You can use an Ambiophone for > free to make recordings if you like. RACE is also free to use. > > All this stuff is mostly free or very low cost compared to Max. You can > use > JRiver and other low cost DAWs. Doing with four speakers what you are > trying to do with eight is also a saving. > > Ralph Glasgal > BEP, MSEE, AES, IEEE > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Phi Shu > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 11:10 AM > To: Surround Sound discussion group > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems > > > You should consider Ambiophonics. > > > well, not sure it would integrate with my workflow, primarily using Nuendo > and Max right now. > > With four speakers and 4.0 media such as > > Dolby Atmos or Auro3D or B format, you can have a full circle of direct > > sound in the horizontal plane. > > > > Have zero interest in Dolby stuff (and currently using B-Format, 8 > speakers, double diamond), I'm talking about rigs like dude above > discusses, he mentions BEAST, there's ZKM, SARC, Notam, bunch of other > institutional spaces, as well as the 4D and Envelop dudes, these are all > propriety arrays, so what I'm talking about is some dude, working at home, > with 8 speakers, thinking about how a work might translate to one of those > rigs, what's the best strategy? in terms of getting some sense of height? > > > > You can have several listeners and you don't > > need head tracking. > > > Head tracking is not really I concern at this point. > > > > Height however does require more speakers but height > > hall ambience is easy to obtain. > > > OK, but again, the question, with an 8 speaker limitation, is a cube using > B-Format the best approach to get height, with phantom images operating as > "virtual" speakers? Or is using HOA mixing to headphones better? Or, just > stick one speaker overhead and use VBAP instead? Surely someone on here has > a clue about the best approach to this? > > > > Take a look at the miniDSP, Amtra, > > Soundpimp, NeutronMP, AmbiophonicsDSP, etc. Links, AES papers and > > tutorials > > at www.ambiophonics.org > > > I will look, thanks, but i ain't spending money on stuff. > > There are also sample demo 4.0 tracks available > > made with an Ambiophone, a 4.0 mic array originally conceived by seeing > > what > > happens when you combine two Soundfield mics and a shaped structure > between > > them. See the papers by Robin Miller under the tab Recording Engineers > > Corner. See also the hall IRs furnished by Angelo Farina if you want > > ambient height for music. > > > > Thanks for the additional info will check it out. > > Cheers!! : ) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of > > Augustine > > Leudar > > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 4:05 AM > > To: Surround Sound discussion group > > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based > Systems > > > > I havent done a study on it but ive done hundreds of compositions and > > installations and the differences are pretty obvious. Ambisonics is > pretty > > good at filling a hole in the panning but vbap can be better under some > > circumstances. Ambisonics is pretty much useles if you want to say, makes > > sounds fly round a labarinth of corridors covering a festival area in > which > > case dbap is better suited. Wfs handles focussed sources better. 5-,1 > > strictty speaking is a speaker array so you could have ambisonics over a > > 5.1 speaker setup. Ive toyed with the idea of doing a study comparing > how > > well tecniques can get sounds to sppear close to a lustener between wfs > , > > ambisonics and dbap but its pointless reslly as its obvious to anyone who > > uses these things what the results would be.All different tools for > > different jobs. > > > > On Friday, 19 April 2019, Michael Bevers <mbev...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I'm curious if anyone knows of, or has conducted, any studies comparing > > an > > > Ambisonic system to a channel-based system? For example, a comparison > of > > an > > > Auro 3-D system with an Ambisonic system. Or even just a 5.1 surround > > > system with an Ambisonic system. > > > > > > I haven't found any studies myself directly comparing the two, even > > through > > > AES. > > > > > > Thanks for any help, > > > Michael > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > > URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ > > > attachments/20190419/8966cd12/attachment.html> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sursound mailing list > > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe > here, > > > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > > > > > > > > -- > > Dr. Augustine Leudar > > Artistic Director Magik Door LTD > > Company Number : NI635217 > > Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, > > Belfast BT88LL > > www.magikdoor.net > > +44(0)7555784775 > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > < > > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20190420/cc6 > > 3b0e9/attachment.html > > > < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20190420/cc6 > 3b0e9/attachment.html > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20190420/cc63b0e9/attachment.html> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sursound mailing list > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > > edit > > account or options, view archives and so on. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sursound mailing list > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20190429/0d1 > dce55/attachment.html > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20190429/0d1dce55/attachment.html> > > > _______________________________________________ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit > account or options, view archives and so on. > > _______________________________________________ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- Dr. Augustine Leudar Artistic Director Magik Door LTD Company Number : NI635217 Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, Belfast BT88LL www.magikdoor.net +44(0)7555784775 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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