Hi, Phi ( play on words, there) As Augustine and Dave have alluded to, it's simply not possible to say which is the "best" - that would be like asking whether a Ferrari or a tractor is best (you can pay similar amounts for each) - it depends whether you're going on the Nurburgring or a muddy field, or indeed, a trip to the supermarket.
But an important point is that, for a specific layout, ther's nothing stops you using multiple encodings in parallel - FOA, HOA, VBAP, etc, because what is good for spaciousness and ambience isn't necessarily great for controlling point sources, or image size and so on - and none are great for controlling distance (actually, "range"). So a host like Reaper can quite happily accommodate multiple encode/decoding regimes. The other point, as others may well point out, is that no encode/decode regime is quite as "scalable" as we might like. Especially for large-scale performances, the decisions taken in a small-scale studio rig have to be reworked, because there seems to be a "perceptual constancy" about actual speaker distances (with the partial exception of anechoic listening circumstances) which distorts image size and plausible movement. So, in a way, it's better to work backwards - from eventual display circumstances back to appropriate encoding. Good luck! Dr. Peter Lennox SFHEA Senior Lecturer in Perception College of Arts, Humanities and Education School of Arts e: p.len...@derby.ac.uk<mailto:p.len...@derby.ac.uk> t: 01332 593155 https://derby.academia.edu/peterlennox https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Peter_Lennox University of Derby, Kedleston Road, Derby, DE22 1GB, UK ________________________________ From: Sursound <sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu> on behalf of Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> Sent: 29 April 2019 20:15:21 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems Hi Phi, I use 8 speakers often enough and have covered faily large areas and you can get great effects including height with only 8 speakers, in fact you can get height with just one speaker if you stick it up a tree :) ( its not how many speakers you have its where you put them ;) An octophonic cube works fine for height - I wouldn'y necessarily use ambisonics for that or play around converting thing to/frombinaural etc (unless you have recordings you want to use already recorded in a particular fomat). It really depends where you want to have your installation and what your objectives - I do a lot of stuff in forests and other site specific locationsand I often use very irregular speaker arrays to achieve certain effects - I may use a cube or a grid but not always. I have found amplitude panning the most effective for this. You can use Max MSP to map your speaker array with software such as spat or ICST and then pan and automate your sources around. I have achieved far more convincing proximity effects with just 8 speakers positioned carefully in a forest than the 48 peripheral spoeaker array at SARC using HOA. This is simnply because the sound actually IS closer to your ear - so ther eisnt really an trickery involved, no need to con anyones HRTFs etc If you dont want to play around with Max I think.. Pyramix has something that lets you draw a speaker map in it. Otherwise you could use even a normal octophonic panner in reaper or whatever- if some of the speakers are higher than others,the sound will appear to go up when it reaches those speakers - you just have to be creative with your routing, On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 at 17:12, Phi Shu <phi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Reading above, curious then, for those of us who don't have the luxury of > working with 24 channels plus, what is the best way to utilise 8 speakers > such that one can produce with a larger array in mind? (or at least > approach an approximation of how it might sound). > > How to approach monitoring height with only 8 speakers? An 8 channel cube > array with a virtual speaker solution? Or would it be better to do this > type of spatialistion using HOA to binaural? - therefore monitor on > headphones. > > What is the best tool for creating so-called virtual speakers anyway? Can > the AIIRADecoder do this? > > Or, is it the case that trying to produce for a proprietary large array is > pointless unless one has sufficient speakers to monitor vertical sound > placement accurately? > > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 10:58 AM Pierre Alexandre Tremblay < > tremb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I forgot to say: Jörn Nettingsmeier ’s experience was life changing. He > > really knows about the reality of real-life in-hall use of HOA and was > > incredibly wise and generous. > > > > Great discussion with Anders Tveit were important too. 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