Ha ! But would the difference be audible in a level matched abx listening test .... I'm willing to bet you one English craft beer it wouldn't :) maybe the preamps but not the sacs. I cant help thinking if the guy doesn't need to have the converters far from the computer he'd be better investing money in room treatment and basstraps etc than higher end DAconverters.
On Saturday, 17 October 2015, Jörn Nettingsmeier < netti...@stackingdwarves.net> wrote: > On 10/16/2015 11:37 PM, Augustine Leudar wrote: >> >> I've been using them for four years and not experienced those problems >> (apart from original a da 8000's PSU problems) . The four adat set to slave >> are controlled by the raydat master clock no need for Wordclock. > > Agreed, this particular setup works well in my experience, too. > > The problem with ADAT for pro environments is that you cannot do distance and you cannot have patchbays (well, you can try with Toslink connectors, but it's very unreliable). > >> In fact >> many people seem to regard external master clocks as snake oil. Im not >> going there. > > If you have really crappy clocks, an external master helps. But if you have any RME equipment, you already have a very good word clock generator, no need to pay for an extra one. > > What I'm saying is that some implementations of ADAT are notoriously bad at locking and syncing (Yamaha desks come to mind - I've had to wordclock them time and again because they were unable to sync to ADAT reliably). So I would prefer having wordclock sync everywhere, which in the case of the ADA8200s requires an extra wordclock splitter since they don't have WC outs. > >> Cable length is not a problem as I have computer and adats in >> the same rack so cable length is not an issue. > > Well, if you can wire the ADAT once, inside a single rack, and never touch it again, you're probably fine. > >> As for signal to noise ratio well I've seen >> this discussed quite a lot with pre amps but rarely these days with dacs. >> Thd and "noise " is well below audible levels in both units - I can point >> you to measurements of ada800 if your interested certainly it held its own >> against more expensive units. > > It's true that the ADA8k is good enough for most applications, but the extra price of a better converter does get you another 10-15dB less THD+N, plus the THD at least in the old 8000s was quite nasty. I've just replaced an 8000 with an Andiamo in my mixing environment, and the difference is quite audible there. Probably not in your average live venue, though. > Haven't had the chance to hear the new 8200s yet, from what I heard they're a lot better. > >> The one place I do concede is the cables are >> a pain but if you set it up right and dont move it there shouldn't be any >> problems . My rig is mobile do the cables are annoying but not 2 thousand >> pounds worth of annoying. I guess this is why large multichannel >> installations such as the wfs systems at Salford university or game of >> life because the extra cost of madi is not worth the gain in performance >> (which audibly is none). Still i like the idea of one box out of curiosity >> does the Andiamo supply balanced outs ? > > Of course. Due to space restrictions (it's 32 AD/DA in one rack unit), the balanced ins and outs are D-SUB-25. A bit of extra hassle - I made my own breakouts for it. You can get them from RME or Directout, but they are quite expensive. > But since I'm also using it in the studio, the D-SUBs actually quicker to connect than individual XLRs. > And the new firmware comes with a complete matrix router that spans all analog and MADI ins and outs. Quite handy, and you can run it MIDI-over-MADI, so you don't need an extra cable there. > > > -- > Jörn Nettingsmeier > Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 > > Meister für Veranstaltungstechnik (Bühne/Studio) > Tonmeister VDT > > http://stackingdwarves.net > > _______________________________________________ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- www.augustineleudar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20151021/7017f54f/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
