Hi Jörn

Thanks for your feedback.

I was thinking it was difficult to achieve, but I didn't think it would
sound that bad.
Having other spot mics sounds like a good compromise.
Out of interest did you align all the mics along capsule axis? This is why
I wanted to use platonic solids, as i thought the zoom in and out to each
position would be better. For instance, a TetraMic in the centre, with the
four others on the faces of a tetrahedron. Each of the four having their
capsules on the same axis as the centre mics capsules.
Also did you zoom in opposing directions for each position, while doing a
crossfade? Ie the centre mic zooms in to direction of distance mic, while
the distance mic zooms back out towards centre mic (from a zoomed in
position away from the centre mic).
I hope this makes sense as I'm sure my explanation iis less than succinct!

All the best.

Steve
On 20 Jul 2015 16:44, "Jörn Nettingsmeier" <netti...@stackingdwarves.net>
wrote:

> On 07/10/2015 01:49 PM, Steven Boardman wrote:
>
>> Hi Peter
>>
>> Thanks very much, it makes for a good read.
>>
>> I intend to position the mics in platonic solid positions to help
>> encoding, via laser guide/theodolite if possible. My intension is capturing
>> the acoustic, rather than determining source position, so the quality of
>> sound will be more important than accuracy of direction. Phase problems are
>> probably the biggest concern, and why I will need to make sure I know the
>> exact position of the mics relative to a central one. I intend to have
>> synced sample accuracy for each mic, and will use tetramics, so am hopeful
>> there will be less error than the Octavas they used.
>> If anyone else has attempted this or has any other pointers I would be
>> very grateful.
>>
>
> There is no magical way of mixing many first-order mikes, so you can
> forget about platonic solids. Instead, you should position them at the
> desired virtual listening positions, and then later do crossfades between
> them.
>
> I've tried it, it's basically crap while you crossfade. You get a stable
> image in the beginning, and another one in the end. In my case, it helped
> that I was using spot mikes at all sources, and I could pan those in third
> order while the change of listening position was going on, and that made it
> sort of convincing.
>
> The problem is that the kinesthetic impression of sitting motionless on
> one's bum is very hard to overrule by subtle auditory cues.
>
> For another transition in the same recording, I had a colleague physically
> carry a tetramic outside. Took some ruthless LF cutting to get rid of the
> rumble (a good camera dolly might help here), but that one was a lot nicer.
> But even here, the biggest auditory impact was change of acoustics and
> ambience (from very reverberant indoors to gravel floor with birds above
> outdoors).
>
> Good luck for your recording project, please keep us updated on the
> results!
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Jörn
>
>
>
>
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