Me too. I think I remember you from then.  
 
 
 
 
Todd Williams    

 
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
 
Stonington, CT
 
860-608-4559
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
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> On Mar 29, 2024 at 2:28 PM,  <Dwight Havens (mailto:[email protected])>  
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> Yes, Todd.    Back in the Boston District Office, some 40-plus years ago.
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> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 10:23:44 AM EDT, Fpdcdesign  
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> That is pretty much what I have said. I am proposing adding a hose valve in a 
> common area and submit to the AHJ to add this arrangement in their fire 
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> occupied areas from the hydrant across the street. If you saw the building, 
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> > As a retired AHJ, my opinion would be that you do not need the hose valves 
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> > since access to the first floor is not gained through the stairwells.
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> > However, you'd need to pass that by the fire chief of the department 
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> > the installation for approval. One of the last things that you want to do 
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> > As a firefighter, I would expect that hose outlet to be there (on the first 
> > floor in the stairwell).    We use it for fighting fires on the second 
> > floor, and as an alternate method of supplying the standpipes if for some 
> > reason the fire department connection is dysfunctional.
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> >   I am working on a small 4 story building where we are required to install 
> > a standpipe (as well as a full 13 sprinkler system). The first floor 
> > consists of a conference area, office space and various mechanical and 
> > storage rooms. The conference space and office area have direct access to 
> > the outside, but there is no communicating space between them. The 2 
> > stairways lead to an outside access only. The elevator lobby has an outside 
> > door but does not connect to the stairways or conference and office spaces. 
> > The total footprint of the building is less than 3000 sqft.  
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> >   Where do you put the hose valve on the 1st floor?
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> > Todd G Williams, PE 
> > Fire Protection Design/Consulting
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