If you can do without a fire pump on ANY water based system, that’s better than 
having one.   Lower first and continuing costs, more reliable through 
simplification, it’s a win-win-win.   And knowing how FDs use standpipes, a 
manual system is preferable for any midrise and some FDs might even say they 
prefer or will treat automatics as manual in high-rise buildings as well, so 
long as the overall height is within their pumping capacity.    It’s about 
reliability, control and constancy of flow and pressure.

My opinion only,
Steve L.

From: George Medina Jr. <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2024 12:27 PM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers 
<[email protected]>
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations

Not sure if this would help, I had a similar Apartment (NFPA-13R) situation 
where the Architect specified an Automatic Standpipe system because there was a 
water supply issue. I come to find out that the project was at the very end of 
the local water purveyors district. The property next door was a different 
water purveyor with plenty of water. The A.H.J. & Consultant allowed me to use 
the flow from that hydrant (25' from property) and design as manual standpipe 
system (Saved the cost of Fire Pump and Water Tank). I had to indicate proper 
signage on FDC. Maybe your property is same situation?

George Medina Jr.
Sr. Fire Sprinkler Designer
SINGLETON FIRE PROTECTION INC.
Office: (818) 252-5744
Cell: (323) 906-5701
Business Hours: 9:00am-5:00pm


On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 06:43:54 AM PDT, 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> 
wrote:



Asking this on behalf of Rowe Sprinkler Systems (Temporally Un-Retired)



We have a 4-story modular apartment building sprinklered in accordance with 
NFPA 13R with allowed exceptions, with 4 standpipes. The standpipes are 
connected at the 1st floor level. One each at the ends of the L shaped building 
and two at the approximate mid-point on either side of a 2-hour separation wall 
with self-closing, rated doors in the corridor.

The question is for purposes of calculating the standpipe can these be treated 
as two separate buildings? For example, 250 gpm at the far end of the 4th 
floor, 250 gpm at the far end of the 3rd floor and 250 gpm at the at the 
connecting point of the middle standpipe, for a total of 750 gpm.

Or do we have to calculate the additional standpipes up to 1250 gpm. Available 
water is the issue.





Richard L. Mote CET

Rimrock Design Services, LLC

Middleburg, PA 17842

Mobile 570-541-2685

EMAIL 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>

WEB: www.rimrockdesignservicesllc.com<http://www.rimrockdesignservicesllc.com>



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