I think a better question would be – not if hats are on or off – but which hat 
– the employee of a vendor hat?  The WG chair hat? The CoC hat? The “In 
personal capacity” hat?

Like Ron and others – I’m kinda curious here

Andrew


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Date: Monday, 25 May 2020 at 18:51
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Subject: Re: [spring] CRH is back to the SPRING Use-Case - Re: Size of CR in CRH

Ole,

When commenting on list, could you indicate whether hats are on or off?

Ron



Juniper Business Use Only

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Subject: Re: [spring] CRH is back to the SPRING Use-Case - Re: Size of CR in CRH

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Sander,

>> Your below list looks like custom made set of RFP requirements to eliminate 
>> any other vendor or any other solution to solve the problem at hand rather 
>> then rational list of requirements.
>
> My main customer (an ISP in NL) would fit exactly in the list that Ron sent. 
> They want a simple solution that they can understand and manage, that works 
> over IPv6. Whether the path will include many nodes (>8) is not known at this 
> point, but they want something that can support it in the future.
>
> So the list of requirements isn't that strange.

That CRH is simple is a bit like claiming that MPLS is simple just because the 
header has few fields.
I think you would be hard pressed to substantiate that any solution here is 
particularly simpler than any other. But you are welcome to try.

Everyone claims to want a simple solution, funnily enough the end result is 
usually the opposite. The words "simple" and "source routing" are oxymorons.
Let's leave the marketing out of this.

Ole

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