Hi,

> While gargling concrete, "Dan Jacobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed:
>
> > However, anything in language [X] is always spam, so let me ban [X]
> > without having to unban every other possible language.
>
> Pretty Draconian. Must be nice to be able to do that.

Not 'nice' but 'convenient'; I don't think anyone really enjoys filtering
their mail by language. Draconian? Perhaps. Let me check my mail archives
to see how many legitimate messages we received written in a
non-ISO-8859-x charset.

> My clients/customers tend to whine a little when they don't get their
> email msg from their business partner overseas with the contract for
> them to sign in the next hour, because .ru tends to send a bit more spam
> than anyone else and is easier to just say damn..block the whole
> country.

YMMV. For those of us that run mail systems that serve only a handful of
users, blocking mail originating from Asia, Russia, and South and Central
America as well as mail written in languages not spoken within 500 miles
of the server closet would keep a lot of crap out of our users' mailboxes
with nary a complaint[1].

Again, YMMV, so don't feel compelled to block more than you're
already comfortable blocking. But please don't presume that filtering that
does (or doesn't) work for you will (or won't) for others. Limiting choice
in blocking tools & criteria doesn't help matters.

> Might as well go the way of SPEWS and start blocking entire netblocks
> because of the few idiots that allow spam from their leased IP's.
> no communication is better than spam right?

Perhaps I should stop rejecting mail from known open proxies and dynamic
allocations because I might hurt the feelings of some suburbanite DSL
customer who thinks kernel patches are some form of military insignia.

I'm not generally a betting man but I'd wager you a dollar that
enlightened self-interest is less effective at convincing an ISP to
enforce it's AUP than a bawling throng of irate customers, upset that
their mail is being rejected by the handful of providers using SPEWS.
There are a number of providers that are utterly unresponsive until
someone (metaphorically) smacks them upside the head with a paving brick.

Seriously, suggest a practical, kinder, gentler, more effective
alternative (build a better brick) and SPEWS will disappear overnight.

> </sarcasm>

Taken under advisement. :)

-- Bob

[1] The mail systems under my control don't block by language or
the sender's geographical location but they easily could. Culturally-blind
DNSBLs and envelope, header, and body checks keep most of garbage out.


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