> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kai MacTane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:56 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [SAtalk] [RD] rule discussion
> 
> 
> At 7/25/03 07:09 AM , Chris Santerre wrote:
> >Well I've done another update on the rules site. Some great rules 
> >submitted again. Lots I want to incorporate myself. I have 
> received a few 
> >rules that score points for bounced emails. What is 
> everyone's take on this?
> >
> >Yes bounces can be generated by spam, but for the most part 
> I believe them 
> >to be legit. I think it may be dangerous to start scoring 
> bounces. IMHO.
> 
> I'm guessing my QMAIL_DBL_BOUNCE rule may be (at least part 
> of) the reason 
> you're bringing this up. Personally, I have *almost never* seen a 
> double-bounce message that wasn't spam-generated. ("Almost 
> never" means, 
> "in six years of postmaster duties, I may have seen one or 
> two that were 
> legit... but I can't recall them at the moment.")
> 
> For me, a double-bounce message is nearly certain to be spam. 
> Which is why 
> I wrote up that rule.
> 
> I agree with your note that you're "Not sure it will be for 
> everyone"; it's 
> mostly of use to mail admins running Qmail. (Honestly, nobody 
> else should 
> ever see any Qmail double-bounces...)
> 
> Of course, nobody is ever obliged to use *any* of these 
> rules. Even if I 
> weren't the submitter for this particular rule, I think I'd 
> be against a 
> policy of "let's not have any rules of type X". I'd rather 
> that they all be 
> submitted and discussed -- perhaps even have warnings on some 
> of them, like 
> "Beware: this rule might result in [insert nasty side-effects 
> here]! Use at 
> your own risk!" But I think it's better to put them forward as 
> possibilities, and let people decide what will help them in their own 
> particular situation. That's part of what rule customization 
> is all about.
> 
>                                                  --Kai MacTane

Agreed. Which is why I added it to the list :) 

I didn't want to make comments in the Emporium archives, I might look like
some know it all. Which I am far from! But I felt I had to at least put some
sort of warnings on a couple. 

I am going to be writing up an opinion based rule tweaking page for the
Emporium today (I hope). Which is why I was looking for some feedback on the
bounces. I hadn't noticed they were double bounces. 

Thanks for the submissions! I plan to use a few!

Chris Santerre 
System Admin and SA Custom Rules Emporium keeper 
http://www.merchantsoverseas.com/wwwroot/gorilla/sa_rules.htm 
"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men." - Willy
Wonka 


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