Or, if people exclude this list when replying to anyone who for whatever reason send a 
complaint about spamassassin disrupting service or whatever... 

I don't see any reason for anyone to include the list in a reply?... 

/ Per


-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Byrnand [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: den 1 juni 2003 00:28
To: Thomas Cameron
Cc: Keoki Kalune; [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Hi Keoki -
>
> You should probably talk to your system administrator or your ISP, 
> whomever handles your e-mail service.  The mailing list you sent your 
> message to is for people who use and develop SpamAssassin.  There is 
> little chance that anyone on this list has anything to do with your 
> e-mail service.
>

Oh dear,

Here we go again...... (I'm not singling you out BTW Thomas, but everyone replying to 
this message, and people who reply to messages like this :)

Almost every single time someone posts a message like this, we get half a dozen people 
reply, and the original poster NEVER replies back to the list again, and some people 
seem puzzled about this... Anyone ever wonder why it happens ?

As I see it, there are two reasons - the first is that they're really a spammer, or 
someone who sends spam-like material and they're venting their frustrations at the 
list. Naturally they're not going to reply again.

The other reason is that they're someone who has got to the tag page, ignored 
everything said on it (about contacting your ISP blah blah) and deliberately gone out 
of their way to find the address of the mailing list, (which you can find on the 
"lists" link) and posted a message to the list *WITHOUT SUBSCRIBING TO IT* this means 
that even if they wanted to hear any replies they wouldn't get them, except from those 
who CC all when replying, and then they're likely to reply just to that person and not 
the list in general...so we never hear about any successful contact with these 
people...

As far as I know this is an open list that allows non-subscribers to post to it. BIG 
MISTAKE for a list of this nature IMHO. If the list were made "subscriber posting 
only" then a number of things would happen:

* The actual spam that comes directly to the list address (as opposed to snippets that 
list members send) would be eliminated, or at least very severely curtailed. (Unless 
the spammers started using the from address of list members....but they'd have to 
special case their software just for us to do that :)

* You'd see an almost total lack of the kind of message that started this thread - if 
they blindly sent a rant to the list without subscribing first, it wouldn't go onto 
the list.... if they DID subscribe, they'd at least get the replies...

What do others think ? Sure, there can be some hassles with posting to subscriber only 
lists (posting from a different address etc) but there seems to be an awful lot of 
time and messages wasted on what is a VERY busy mailing list in just replying to 
people who 9 times out of 10 are just here to yank our chain, or are too ignorant to 
read the tag page and digest it, and want to vent their frustrations anyway.

Regards,
Simon



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