On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 08:21:35AM -0700, Rob McMillin wrote:

| There is no URL at the bottom.

If you're using my account, you're right.  I made a filter to strip it
out :-).

You also won't see it for multipart MIME messages because in that case
mailman ends up putting it in the MIME footer, which isn't displayed.

| I don't know what you guys are seeing, but there is no unsub
| information at the footer of each message on this list. This is why
| I'm going nuts:
|
| - No URL or unsub info at the end of each e-mail.

There is, in some/most messages.  As I explained above, you won't see
that footer on messages from me.

| - No unsub info on the website.

It's in the same place as the subscribe info.  Read that page, and
look near the bottom.  (all mailman-managed lists are that way.  very
nice and consistent)

The page is http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk,
The relevant section says :

     Spamassassin-talk Subscribers

        To change your subscription (set options like digest and delivery
        modes, get a reminder of your password, or unsubscribe from
        Spamassassin-talk), enter your subscription email address:

        <followed by a simple form>

| - Unsub info buried in each message header -- fine.

Yep.  That's the first place to look.  :-).  It keeps it out of the
way of normal conversation, yet also provides it in a consistent
manner independent of the list itself.

| But I need a password.

Mailman will mail it to you if you ask it :-).  The reason is so that
I can't go and remove, say, Theo from receiving mail, and also so that
I can't go back and re-subscribe you.

| - There's no indication on the admin page as to how I could get my 
| password if I had lost it.

When you click on the "Edit options" button on the form mentioned
above, you will be taken to
    http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/subscribe/spamassassin-talk
which contains the text

                       Forgotten Your Password?
    Click this button to have your password emailed to your list
    delivery address.

    [button labeled 'Email my password to me']

| I *know* I'm not an idiot or a luser. This info just needs better 
| presentation, that's all.

After looking it over again, knowing the above info, do you have any
suggestions for _how_ to present it better?  If you do, please share
them, and also tell the Mailman (http://mailman.sf.net/) developers so
they can improve it in the next release.

HTH,
-D

-- 
A kindhearted woman gains respect,
but ruthless men gain only wealth.
        Proverbs 11:16
 
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